Mastodon said:
Why would you bring gender to this discussion it's weird lol.
Trust me, I know this game:
1) Obese people mad that my before photo is their goal weight
2) Obese people mad that I use GLP1 (it's 'unfair' according to their childish world view)
3) Obese people delusional enough to think that they are top-level bodybuilders under their fat layer (in reality their size comes from excess weight only, they never leaned down to the appropriate condition to see how weak and frail they actually are)
Hope this helps and good luck on your weight loss journey!!!
The biggest difference between obese people using GLP peptides to lose and maintain weight is that in that case the effects have proven health benefits, and those benefits outweigh the risks when the person taking them is obese.
People taking them who are not overweight is not the same. In general I do not believe there is anything wrong with taking them for cosmetic reasons, but the same medical logic of risks vs benefits is not the same. There are essentially no or minimal long term health benefits in taking GLP medications in people who are not overweight - maybe eventually research might say otherwise, but at this stage it has not even been tested.
The risks of taking these medications is not zero, pancreatitis, gallstones, NAION etc and they are likely to be similar in non overweight populations, the problem is the lack of proven health benefits to cancel out those risks in people using them for cosmetic reasons, so the net health effect is just the risks, so the overall health effects are negative not positive, and this is a big difference. In general with a few exceptions Doctors are not going to prescribe them for non overweight persons precisely for those risks.
So long as you understand that taking GLP peptides, or any others that bodybuilders use like hgh or Androgens are a net health risk and you chose to take that risk, then that is your choice as far as I am concerned. People do end up in situations where high doses of these are used long term , with significant risks to health and no amount of dosing or training will fix the problem if body dysmorphia is the underlying issue. Not saying this is necessarily the case here, but you do seem to be disputing anyone else's assessment of your body fat, so it is definitely possible.
Society in general does consider using GLP's in persons who are not overweight, but more so non replacement dose androgens as cheating, . To the point where they are illegal with significant penalties for their use, sales or importation nearly everywhere. Presumably something to with high strength/size being a dominance signal in males, and increasing this artificially is a dishonest signal?
This is a forum for GLP's, it says so in the title. So most people here are here because they are, or even better, were overweight or obese. And yes, people taking these medications who are not overweight could easily be seen in a pretty negative light , and I think if you want to use this forum you need to understand that for many people here these are life saving drugs, for a problem they have had all their life and that society has judged and treated them badly because of it, and from that point of view getting annoyed at someone skinny complaining about being fat is not entirely unreasonable.
