Overweight TRT Considerations

[wildweasel]

That is a shit ton of Armidex. I take around that when I’m pinning 500mg a week. I’ve known a ton of people that crash their e2. It’s miserable. Folks grow to love the jab of test e or c. Just took one in the hotel on a trip….

same. 600mg/week and i take 1mg split up between two doses each week. even at my dose the estro symptoms arent too bad, i mostly do it to reduce the water weight to a more normal level, its not bothersome symptoms for me for any reason other than visual appearance

 

[msyntakz]

Well, the first injection (0.2mL/40mg) is in the books. 30g SubQ worked well. Drawing it up and pushing it wasn't a big deal at that low volume. I'll report back in a week when I'm giving Ronnie Coleman a run for his titles, ha.

Nah, but in all seriousness, the mental changes are what I'm really interested in. Hopefully, some positive changes within the month or so would be nice. Appreciate all the guidance and nudges to get me on the path to improved health and wellbeing!

 

[sfkid]

Well, the first injection (0.2mL/40mg) is in the books. 30g SubQ worked well. Drawing it up and pushing it wasn't a big deal at that low volume. I'll report back in a week when I'm giving Ronnie Coleman a run for his titles, ha.

Nah, but in all seriousness, the mental changes are what I'm really interested in. Hopefully, some positive changes within the month or so would be nice. Appreciate all the guidance and nudges to get me on the path to improved health and wellbeing!

Are you taking or have an aromatize inhibitor on hand (AI) to manage estrogen?

 

[msyntakz]

Are you taking or have an aromatize inhibitor on hand (AI) to manage estrogen?

Yeah, they sent me 10x 0.25mg anastrozole caps. Not taking any without sides. Hoping I can manage sides if I have them through dosing frequency, but as woundcarping mentioned, trying not to overthink and just pin.

Hoping to be able to stick to the three days per week with no issue, but will spread it out more as needed until I get more weight off. It's moving quickly, so not overly worried.

 

[sfkid]

Yeah, they sent me 10x 0.25mg anastrozole caps. Not taking any without sides. Hoping I can manage sides if I have them through dosing frequency, but as woundcarping mentioned, trying not to overthink and just pin.

Hoping to be able to stick to the three days per week with no issue, but will spread it out more as needed until I get more weight off. It's moving quickly, so not overly worried.

Just from my experience, higher estrogen makes you feel mentally better. With low e2 , depression, joint pain, no sex drive ...

AI is trash . If you can avoid it more power to you.

 

[Such1943]

Well, the first injection (0.2mL/40mg) is in the books. 30g SubQ worked well. Drawing it up and pushing it wasn't a big deal at that low volume. I'll report back in a week when I'm giving Ronnie Coleman a run for his titles, ha.

Nah, but in all seriousness, the mental changes are what I'm really interested in. Hopefully, some positive changes within the month or so would be nice. Appreciate all the guidance and nudges to get me on the path to improved health and wellbeing!

Did you end up using a TRT clinic?

 

[msyntakz]

Did you end up using a TRT clinic?

Yes, I did a 6-month plan to get my feet wet and get stabilized, then I will be looking at my other options after that... or when it gets close to the end. Basically the same thing I did with peps.

 

[sfkid]

Yes, I did a 6-month plan to get my feet wet and get stabilized, then I will be looking at my other options after that... or when it gets close to the end. Basically the same thing I did with peps.

I built my own trt clinic at home

 

[msyntakz]

I built my own trt clinic at home

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[PAPoots]

Something to think about with weight loss. When my cholesterol dropped I had to up my TRT dosage from 200 to 230mg weekly. i lost more weight and my cholesterol has dropped more and my doc is asking me if I want to up my TRT dose. I said I'd wait another 8 weeks for my next set of labs to be done. In the mean time I've eaten a little less "clean" since my cholesterol numbers are so low, I had some room to play and eat some tastier meals. I got back for BW on the 28th and I'll try to remember this thread to provide an update on the BW.

Even though TRT provides exogenous testosterone, your body still needs cholesterol for:

Conversion to DHT

Conversion to estradiol

Supporting Leydig cell function

Maintaining cell membrane integrity

Producing pregnenolone (the “mother hormone”)

So low LDL doesn’t stop TRT from working — but it can blunt the downstream hormone ecosystem .

 

[Smiter]

Hey, which drug gives you flu-like symptoms? I can't remember right now.

 

[msyntakz]

Something to think about with weight loss. When my cholesterol dropped I had to up my TRT dosage from 200 to 230mg weekly. i lost more weight and my cholesterol has dropped more and my doc is asking me if I want to up my TRT dose. I said I'd wait another 8 weeks for my next set of labs to be done. In the mean time I've eaten a little less "clean" since my cholesterol numbers are so low, I had some room to play and eat some tastier meals. I got back for BW on the 28th and I'll try to remember this thread to provide an update on the BW.

Even though TRT provides exogenous testosterone, your body still needs cholesterol for:

Conversion to DHT

Conversion to estradiol

Supporting Leydig cell function

Maintaining cell membrane integrity

Producing pregnenolone (the “mother hormone”)

So low LDL doesn’t stop TRT from working — but it can blunt the downstream hormone ecosystem .

This is great to have in mind. My cholesterol is not low right now (180 down from 255), but it's trending down with the weight loss and lifestyle changes. I will definitely watch the correlation. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[msyntakz]

Hey, which drug gives you flu-like symptoms? I can't remember right now.

Sorry, I think I need more context. Or my brain is not braining.

 

[Smiter]

Sorry, I think I need more context. Or my brain is not braining.

It's okay mate. I got my answer elsewhere. I have the flu right now. I took 2 supplements I received today and I am feeling much better. It was keto-flu I was thinking of. I was wondering if the Reta worsened my flu, but it didn't. I just need to get over it. So, did you decide on what version of TRT you wanna pursue?

 

[msyntakz]

It's okay mate. I got my answer elsewhere. I have the flu right now. I took 2 supplements I received today and I am feeling much better. It was keto-flu I was thinking of. I was wondering if the Reta worsened my flu, but it didn't. I just need to get over it. So, did you decide on what version of TRT you wanna pursue?

Oh man, feel better soon, hopefully.

Yeah, went with a clinic to start, and I'm on 120mg weekly, split into 3 SubQ injections. Hoping the split and delivery method allows for smooth/steady release. Two down and one to go for the first week. So far no PIP or lumping. All good.

 

[Smiter]

Oh man, feel better soon, hopefully.

Yeah, went with a clinic to start, and I'm on 120mg weekly, split into 3 SubQ injections. Hoping the split and delivery method allows for smooth/steady release. Two down and one to go for the first week. So far no PIP or lumping. All good.

SubQ TRT? Really? Explain. Don't skimp on details. Free yourself. Let it all flow out. Oh btw. There is one thing- What test esters are you taking? That's of the utmost importance to know.

 

[msyntakz]

SubQ TRT? Really? Explain. Don't skimp on details. Free yourself. Let it all flow out. Oh btw. There is one thing- What test esters are you taking? That's of the utmost importance to know.

120mg Cypionate, for the simple answer on ester.

As for the SubQ reasoning, it's a two-part answer. One... if I don't have to harpoon myself and/or have muscle soreness, I'd like to avoid it. I know I can still do IM with smaller gauge needles, but that still leaves the possibility of muscle soreness when working out. I have heard anywhere from "it's a non-issue" to "that quad injection left me limping". So, just avoiding if possible.

Reason two: I am overweight. E2 is already higher than I want. Aromatization is a concern for me, and I don't want to use an AI if I don't have to. I want to manage E2 but not crash it out. So, based on the forum/reddit/youtube research I have done, that can be managed in two main ways with injections - frequency and tissue. The higher the frequency, the more even the levels, and the absorption is slower/more even in SubQ tissue.

So, hopefully, going about it this way, I can avoid high peaks leading to high aromatization and keep E2 to a minimum. Also, with those smoother levels, mood is also said to be much more even, and I am on this stuff for the mental benefits more than the physical. The physical benefits are a cool bonus, IMO.

I am doing M/W/F currently for injections. If I get E2 sides, I will increase to EOD or even daily if needed, just while I am still in the weight loss phase.

 

[msyntakz]

If SubQ is not working for me after the first 8-10 weeks, and levels are crazy lower than expected, I will try IM and look for a difference.

 

[woundcarping]

SubQ TRT? Really? Explain.

That can't be surprising to you? I'm also injecting SQ.

I get soreness in my quads doing IM, even with a 29g.

If SubQ is not working for me after the first 8-10 weeks, and levels are crazy lower than expected, I will try IM and look for a difference.

If your levels are low and labs are otherwise fine... increase the dose. I went from 120mg/week to 180mg/week. Main variables I'm tracking now are DHT and hematocrit. I'll have my ~8 week labs for the increase Monday week.

 

[Smiter]

120mg Cypionate, for the simple answer on ester.

As for the SubQ reasoning, it's a two-part answer. One... if I don't have to harpoon myself and/or have muscle soreness, I'd like to avoid it. I know I can still do IM with smaller gauge needles, but that still leaves the possibility of muscle soreness when working out. I have heard anywhere from "it's a non-issue" to "that quad injection left me limping". So, just avoiding if possible.

Reason two: I am overweight. E2 is already higher than I want. Aromatization is a concern for me, and I don't want to use an AI if I don't have to. I want to manage E2 but not crash it out. So, based on the forum/reddit/youtube research I have done, that can be managed in two main ways with injections - frequency and tissue. The higher the frequency, the more even the levels, and the absorption is slower/more even in SubQ tissue.

So, hopefully, going about it this way, I can avoid high peaks leading to high aromatization and keep E2 to a minimum. Also, with those smoother levels, mood is also said to be much more even, and I am on this stuff for the mental benefits more than the physical. The physical benefits are a cool bonus, IMO.

I am doing M/W/F currently for injections. If I get E2 sides, I will increase to EOD or even daily if needed, just while I am still in the weight loss phase.

Thank you for the detailed reply. The reason I asked was because I hate IM injections myself and would have loved subQ shots. What needles are you using? Okay, you're using Cypionate. Alright, you know that this is one of the esters with the shortest half-life, right? CharlieBrown here is using a really great blend. It's not true that the higher the frequency, the more even the levels. It depends only on the esters we use. If we use long-acting esters, the release of test would be streamlined for longer periods. I, too, am sensitive to E2, which is why I would use anastrazole on and off. But if you want to see the results of a blend, look up @CharlieBrown, there is nothing brown about him. He should be Charlie WhiteRipped AF. Worse, he is in Canada of all places. No Canadian has any business looking that ripped. They should be looking 'ripped off' instead.

As for mood and mental benefits, coincidentally, I just posted the result of two new supplements I took. BEAST MOOD, I tell you.