Mothafuckas!!!! First ever HGH shot tonight, it was either that or 1st Ipamorelin!

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Why would you run Ipa if you are taking HGH? From everything I have read, HGH needs to be run for a while to really see effects from it. I've been running 2 IUs in the morning (I'm one of the unlucky ones that taking it before bed actually wrecks sleep) for about 5 weeks now and I'm starting to see some subtle changes in skin. Definitely retaining a negligible amount of water, though, and the tingly hands (especially in the middle of the night) are a real thing.

Well, from what ive read, taking HGH while fasting absolutely produces tesulys if i am using it for fat loss. After this thread i am certainly not running it outside of fasting until i can get a round of bloodwork done. The only thing in my panel that was mentioned here that i can find in my tests is ac1.

 

[IshimaruKenta]

I hope this doesn't turn into gym bro Meso.

 

[swimmer]

Since you mentioned water retention as a concern, I think I have seen a touch of moon face in the mirror while on HGH and testosterone. Fluid retention, including causing carpal tunnel, is why I will keep my HGH doses on the lower end and do "5 days on, 2 days off."

By the way, to prevent foaming during recon, I always try to remember to use a vent needle, to help prevent the BAC water hitting too hard.

One of the reasons I have not tried HGH yet is that I am afraid it will tank my natural HGH production. Have you tested your natural IGF1 levels after cycling?

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I hope this doesn't turn into gym bro Meso.

Do you even lift bro ?

/S

 

[MrBMG]

One of the reasons I have not tried HGH yet is that I am afraid it will tank my natural HGH production. Have you tested your natural IGF1 levels after cycling?

That’s a common misconception. HGH doesn’t permanently suppress natural GH or IGF-1. There’s temporary feedback while on, but levels return to baseline after stopping — it’s not like testosterone shutdown.

I haven’t tested. Probably won’t get a chance as I might be on it for awhile. At 45, and a 145 baseline, I was only pulsing so much anyways.

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

One of the reasons I have not tried HGH yet is that I am afraid it will tank my natural HGH production. Have you tested your natural IGF1 levels after cycling?

Yea, this thread has me scared to even use it now, ty to all who posted, I might just focus on the ipamorelin

 

[Calm Logic]

Do you even lift bro ?

/S

And you need your LDL below 70 before posting, with A1C below 5. Then you are entitled to blow it all up with a gram of steroids. Crazy.

 

[mraajr]

Yea, this thread has me scared to even use it now, ty to all who posted, I might just focus on the ipamorelin

Several months ago I started with a baseline IGF-1 in the 160s. 2mg Tesa/500mcg Ipa got that number up to about 280. I am now on 2iu of GH and will have blood work in a couple weeks and can let you know what it does to my numbers. I have zero side effects from 2iu other than the fact that I have insanely vivid dreams (similar to the Tesa/Ipa).

 

[swimmer]

Several months ago I started with a baseline IGF-1 in the 160s. 2mg Tesa/500mcg Ipa got that number up to about 280. I am now on 2iu of GH and will have blood work in a couple weeks and can let you know what it does to my numbers. I have zero side effects from 2iu other than the fact that I have insanely vivid dreams (similar to the Tesa/Ipa).

Wow!! That increase from the ipa/tesa is very impressive. I didn't know it could work that well. Did you do it 5 days on 2 off or every day?

 

[Joeyg]

And you need your LDL below 70 before posting, with A1C below 5. Then you are entitled to blow it all up with a gram of steroids. Crazy.

Don’t forget to post your stats so folks can find a reason you aren’t worthy of gear. That’s important

 

[cheaperseeker]

Every time I get a notification for this thread, my brain yells, mothafuckas!!! I like it.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

And you need your LDL below 70 before posting, with A1C below 5. Then you are entitled to blow it all up with a gram of steroids. Crazy.

 

[mraajr]

Wow!! That increase from the ipa/tesa is very impressive. I didn't know it could work that well. Did you do it 5 days on 2 off or every day?

I was very impressed also. I did a 5/2 split. I have a problem with pretty much anything that has water retention as a side effect. I hold a ton of water on GH and GH secretagogues. Like 10-13 lbs. of extra water. The two days off always gave my body a chance to drain the majority of that water off.

 

[lessthanhalf]

I found this guide to hgh replacement dosage useful, aiming to get hgh levels to normal in people who need it and was a bit surprised how low the doses were compared to what people on meso were using

1mg hgh = 3iu

Age <30 years: 0.4–0.5 mg/day = 1.2-1.5iu/day

Age 30–60 years: 0.2–0.3 mg/day = 0.6iu-0.9iu/day

Age >60 years: 0.1–0.2 mg/day = 0.3-0.6iu/day

If you are taking hgh to help maintain muscle mass during weight loss or to reduce visceral fat , then you might want the doses to be a bit higher than maintenance, but at least this was a useful guideline to start from, rather than the bodybuilding doses from meso, which are 5 to 10 times these.

Checking blood sugar is essential and adjusting doses on igf-1 levels makes sense. if you already have or are at very high risk of cardiovascular disease , it would make sense to be more careful. Long term consequences of supplemental hgh in humans are not really well understood, but long term high doses are almost certainly a bad idea. General medical opinion recommends against hgh supplementation, for aging or metabolically induced low levels, as the uncertain benefits are outweighed by adverse effects and poorly understood long term consequences. But there are small human clinical trials showing benefits on muscle mass in older persons. And studies in people with unequivocal deficiency from brain injuries etc, show improved subjective quality of life with hgh replacement.