Alka-Seltzer counts towards water intake, haha.
Mega Thread - Reta foods that work / foods that did not
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Like Calm Logic I still eat pizza, chips, ice cream, etc but my interest in them is not all consuming as it was before. Instead of at least 4 pieces of pizza I have to make myself finish 1. Instead of ice cream every day I have it whenever the mood strikes. Instead of an all you can eat bowl of chips that magically gets refilled its 1 small bowl of chips or a bag of Quest's loaded taco flavor protein chips.
Because the appeal has been turned down from off scale high down to a low and my hunger is generally so blunted, I just eat as much or little of whatever appeals to me as I can. Fresh berries, apples, oranges, bananas, roasted root veggies, and pickled beets have all been staples. The only things that seemed to do real damage and was a chunky homemade Bolognese followed up by a big ribeye.
Because the appeal has been turned down from off scale high down to a low and my hunger is generally so blunted, I just eat as much or little of whatever appeals to me as I can. Fresh berries, apples, oranges, bananas, roasted root veggies, and pickled beets have all been staples. The only things that seemed to do real damage and was a chunky homemade Bolognese followed up by a big ribeye.
So does chomping down a Tums/Rolaid with a water chaser. I do like Alka Seltzer Plus for colds.Calm Logic said:
Too much calcium for me, even mild hypercalcemia with it.BNLFL said:
By the way, one of the oldest threads at Meso that is still going:
What R U Eating ?[archived internal link]
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What R U Eating ?[archived internal link]
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For overall health the mediterranean diet has very good evidence for reducing chances of many different health problems.
I think what works or is ideal depends quite a lot on how severe the obesity is. Gym bros trying to get to 12% body fat have different priorities and likely different metabolic conditions to those with BMI's over 35 or 40.
Achieving and sustaining large weight losses from a starting point of severe obesity generally requires foods optimised for hunger control, with as much satiety per calorie as possible. Some people on GLP's seem to be able to do it while still eating pizza and drinking beer, but for those with the most severe problems it may not be possible.
While the mediterranean diet is the best for health issues, it may not be the best for hunger control or long term weight loss as it is fairly high fat and low protein. A version of it with more protein, less olive oil and lots of salad, vegetables and fruit and less grains is probably better for weight control. Thankfully GLP drugs tend to improve food choices towards lower fat less processed foods anyway.
Generally speaking protein is the most satiating food per calorie, and you get the bonus of 20% of its calories being used up in digesting and metabolising it. Despite concerns about kidney stress from high protein diets, I found that my diet with 40-50% of calories from protein actually improved renal function and reduced proteinuria quite a lot. ( High protein diet is a very bad idea if there is significant renal failure, low protein diets slow down progression of renal failure, but this is not necessarily the case if renal function is still good, just with hyperfiltration and proteinuria ) But knowing renal function is likely a good idea before considering this.
I think what works or is ideal depends quite a lot on how severe the obesity is. Gym bros trying to get to 12% body fat have different priorities and likely different metabolic conditions to those with BMI's over 35 or 40.
Achieving and sustaining large weight losses from a starting point of severe obesity generally requires foods optimised for hunger control, with as much satiety per calorie as possible. Some people on GLP's seem to be able to do it while still eating pizza and drinking beer, but for those with the most severe problems it may not be possible.
While the mediterranean diet is the best for health issues, it may not be the best for hunger control or long term weight loss as it is fairly high fat and low protein. A version of it with more protein, less olive oil and lots of salad, vegetables and fruit and less grains is probably better for weight control. Thankfully GLP drugs tend to improve food choices towards lower fat less processed foods anyway.
Generally speaking protein is the most satiating food per calorie, and you get the bonus of 20% of its calories being used up in digesting and metabolising it. Despite concerns about kidney stress from high protein diets, I found that my diet with 40-50% of calories from protein actually improved renal function and reduced proteinuria quite a lot. ( High protein diet is a very bad idea if there is significant renal failure, low protein diets slow down progression of renal failure, but this is not necessarily the case if renal function is still good, just with hyperfiltration and proteinuria ) But knowing renal function is likely a good idea before considering this.
If the goal is simply to gain muscle while "cutting," then reta is arguably not better anyway compared to tirz. And for better or worse, diet can take a back seat to dosage. But I also like diet-neutral intermittent fasting, even for just 12 hours.
If cardiovascular health is not important to someone, then YOLO and get on steroids too while you are at it, lol. One reason I like reta is that it has a much better effect on LDL than tirz.
I agree that healthy fats can be overrated, just like protein. Except for fiber, everything is basically overrated since most Americans are more overnourished than anything.
But the culprit is not just processed foods. For example, that chicken is heart healthy is a myth (APPROACH study). Animal protein (especially at high amounts) is not associated with cardiovascular health. One of thousands of studies saying the same thing:
Association of Animal and Plant Protein Intake With All-Cause and Cause-Specific Mortality
Cardiovascular health is also important for physical and mental performance.
For plant-based, a bro approach is by Tom Brady, so overkill except for starch:
TB12
tb12sports.com
For comparison, "the best fighters in the ancient world were essentially vegetarian."
What Is the Gladiator Diet and How Do Vegetarian Athletes Stack Up? | NutritionFacts.org
I compare the diets of the Roman gladiator “barley men” and army troopers to the modern Spartans of today. The remains of dozens of Roman gladiators were
nutritionfacts.org
If cardiovascular health is not important to someone, then YOLO and get on steroids too while you are at it, lol. One reason I like reta is that it has a much better effect on LDL than tirz.
I agree that healthy fats can be overrated, just like protein. Except for fiber, everything is basically overrated since most Americans are more overnourished than anything.
But the culprit is not just processed foods. For example, that chicken is heart healthy is a myth (APPROACH study). Animal protein (especially at high amounts) is not associated with cardiovascular health. One of thousands of studies saying the same thing:
Association of Animal and Plant Protein Intake With All-Cause and Cause-Specific Mortality
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Cardiovascular health is also important for physical and mental performance.
For plant-based, a bro approach is by Tom Brady, so overkill except for starch:
TB12
tb12sports.com
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For comparison, "the best fighters in the ancient world were essentially vegetarian."
What Is the Gladiator Diet and How Do Vegetarian Athletes Stack Up? | NutritionFacts.org
I compare the diets of the Roman gladiator “barley men” and army troopers to the modern Spartans of today. The remains of dozens of Roman gladiators were
nutritionfacts.org
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