Looking for advice on Enclomiphene

[Rhaast]

Hey everyone, I searched around for a bit and couldn’t find too many people talking about enclomiphene so forgive me if this is redundant.

For context, I’m an 20 year old athlete and started at 5,10 260 in November. I am currently 225 and my most recent blood panel put my test at 350NG/DL. My last panel had my test at ~750 so this was really shocking. I eat about 1800cals daily with 220g of that being protein, 140g of carbs, and ~45g of fats.

I’m starting Reta next week and was wondering if enclo could help with maintaining a higher test through my cut and as I go back to a regular diet after hitting 180. I train 6 days a week so I really don’t want to lose a lot of strength while I’m doing this. If anyone has experience or recommendations on what to do it would be greatly appreciated!

(Sorry if this was formatted terribly, I had to type this out on my phone.)

 

[bogardbilla]

Hey everyone, I searched around for a bit and couldn’t find too many people talking about enclomiphene so forgive me if this is redundant.

For context, I’m an 20 year old athlete and started at 5,10 260 in November. I am currently 225 and my most recent blood panel put my test at 350NG/DL. My last panel had my test at ~750 so this was really shocking. I eat about 1800cals daily with 220g of that being protein, 140g of carbs, and ~45g of fats.

I’m starting Reta next week and was wondering if enclo could help with maintaining a higher test through my cut and as I go back to a regular diet after hitting 180. I train 6 days a week so I really don’t want to lose a lot of strength while I’m doing this. If anyone has experience or recommendations on what to do it would be greatly appreciated!

(Sorry if this was formatted terribly, I had to type this out on my phone.)

I'm about to start the same thing on Reta, following.

 

[mnasssef]

I've done a bit of research on this topic because I too felt the symptoms of low T after losing a lot of weight relatively fast as a young lifter.

Enclomiphene will increase your total T levels significantly while on a cut. It's not necessarily worth the trouble though.

Enclo will raise your e2 levels whilst also preventing estrogen from binding to its receptors which can lead to some of the side effects of high e2 (water retention/bloating, mood swings, anxiety, etc) AND, almost paradoxically, some side effects of low e2 as well (hot flashes, low libido, and possibly worst of all: reduced IGF-1).

Enclomiphene also increases SHBG levels significantly, so your free testosterone wouldn't experience as huge of a boost compared to your total T. It has the potential to cut your igf1 levels in half, which can reduce strength gains and massively reduce whatever anabolic benefits you were getting from the increased endogenous testosterone production.

I am not actively against its use by any means, I just think most people will find that it's more trouble than it's worth. It's nothing like actual trt (not saying you should take trt), and most anecdotal experiences on Reddit and Meso (I suggest you read these) show improved T levels on paper but it scarcely translates into real world results and many end up quitting. If enclo lived up to its hype, more people like you and I would be taking it and staying on it

Hope my writeup was helpful.

 

[ronin365]

Have you checked into Kisspeptin-10?

 

[articfox]

Have you checked into Kisspeptin-10?

I have been looking into it, have you done any research with it.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I got a bottle sitting in my stash that I've been waiting to try. Other poster was correct, in that I've read too many times to count that the great numbers on paper do not translate at all to feeling better. A lot of people on reddit and other forums have said test is best (meaning injectable testosterone).

With all that said, there appear to be a section that have benefited from it. They all have the same thing in common. Low doses and not every day. Like 6.25mg 2-3x per week or the 12.5 mg at 2-3x per week. The reason being is it will give your estrogen receptors a break from being blocked so much and should limit the low or high e2 issues.

Definitely do your own research. Hope this helped.

 

[RubbaDubba1]

That's about spot on, what these guys are saying. I got a very mild lift from being on it for 1 year. Was just taking 25mg 2x a week and it took 9 months to get numbers back down, till they seemed reasonable on paper and how I felt on it. The bloating and higher estradiol, made it seem not worth it in the end.

 

[ronin365]

I have been looking into it, have you done any research with it.

I am doing research with it now. Almost two weeks in.

I wanted to see if I can use as an alternative to HCG or Enclo while on TRT to keep the testes active Since it works upstream, it is a safer more natural alternative (more cost effective too).

I started at 100 mcg and may push to 200 mcg. So far I have not noticed much of a difference in almost two weeks. I may end up having to cycle HCG two or three times a year :-/