It's now Permanent: Possession of Syringes and Needles is Now Legal in California

[Calm Logic]

still considered paraphenalia in FL. and Amazon recently updated their terms so they won't ship syringes to my address anymore. relegated to GPZ for all my supplies now.

The Alabama of the tropics. When I left a decade ago, recreational marijuana was illegal. No change in that regard. But at least they have medical marijuana (since 2016).

 

[PackmanJohnny]

The Alabama of the tropics. When I left a decade ago, recreational marijuana was illegal. No change in that regard. But at least they have medical marijuana (since 2016).

I kinda like it that way as in practice because they tax the shit out of it and it allows us not to need state income tax. Its easy enough to get a card too, you can literally tell a doctor 'I get nervous on airplanes' and they give you weed lmao.

a bit antithetical to my usually 'legalize everything' purview but people here seem pretty content with the system as it currently exists.

 

[Vash_]

California is a strange place.

 

[Calm Logic]

I kinda like it that way as in practice because they tax the shit out of it and it allows us not to need state income tax. Its easy enough to get a card too, you can literally tell a doctor 'I get nervous on airplanes' and they give you weed lmao.

a bit antithetical to my usually 'legalize everything' purview but people here seem pretty content with the system as it currently exists.

Taxes are even higher on recreational marijuana here in AZ than medical, but they make money selling the medical cards. For recreational, no limits in practice since you can just walk right back in and buy another ounce. I just use the gummies now and then.

 

[AndyPanda]

The law that I talked only dealt with (1) the distribution of syringes by pharmacists and doctors and (2) the legalization of possession of them without a prescription by users.

I'm aware that the increased money that California has spent on deal with homelessness hasn't done much, if anything, to improve things.

As to non-profit organizations, some are good. Some are bad and actually result in the personal enrichment of others.

About 25 years ago, I represented a client charged with distributing needles as part of a needle exchange program. The client was one of several people charged with violating the law by participating in the program. None made any money from doing so. There was no formal organization. None had any criminal histories. We brought an expert from the CDC, Peter Lurie, MD, currently the head of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, to testify in order to support a necessity defense. Dr. Lurie, who had published on the subject in the British Medical Journal, testified that studies have not been able to detect a link between needle exchange programs and any increase in intravenous drug use. Eventually, before a jury trial could start, the DA agreed that he would dismiss the case if the defendants did not pick up any new criminal cases. The defendants continued to distribute needles. Six months later, the DA dismissed the case. The defendants in that case were all true believers motivated by a desire to do what they believed to be right.

As to deviant sexual acts, I have trouble finding any acts to be deviant if committed by two mentally competent consenting adults in privacy. I'm sure if I worked on hypotheticals enough, I could come up with some act that I find deviant in those circumstances, but I'd have to work to come up with something. As to sex between gay men - and I think that might be what you're referencing - I have no problem with it. I think a much greater problem would be a gay person trying to pretend an attraction to the opposite sex.

I meant deviant sexual acts for the drugs, but can understand why you would think I meant that. I can be quite cantankerous at times. I don’t care what people choose or why they choose it as long as it doesn’t cost me anything.

 

[AndyPanda]

The Alabama of the tropics. When I left a decade ago, recreational marijuana was illegal. No change in that regard. But at least they have medical marijuana (since 2016).

Virginia legalized a few years ago. At the time I didn’t mind. I thought “there are worse things people can be doing.” Now, I want to find the person who legalized it and punch him in his ovaries. I can’t even walk into a restaurant without being forced to breathe it in. All I can do is make strong eye contact with them and tell them how bad they stink. Not much else I can do about it. Hopefully someday it escalates into a fight and I can goad them into throwing the first punch.

I’ve also seen what they do along the border to get it into the country. Severed heads on fence posts. People being boiled alive in 55 gallon drums. I wish they would have just legalized the gummies or something that I don’t need to breathe.

 

[Calm Logic]

I never had that experience anywhere but the average age here is like 60.

All the weed my friends buy is grown in Arizona at licensed, inspected facilities. The goal is at least one inspection per facility per year.

 

[AndyPanda]

Addiction is a disease and it’s unfortunate that there are many people who believe that those who have addiction deserve to die, especially since this is on a GLP1 forum where many people are addicted to food.

Same rewarding dopamine pathway comes from food and other drugs and the hit of dopamine gets your body addicted. Some people use food as an emotional crutch, others alcohol and other hard drugs. There’s also a genetic disposition to addiction that can’t be controlled. I always think that I could be a couple bad events away from being an addict and try to be compassionate. No one wants to be addicted…

What pathogen causes addiction?

 

[nevets]

What pathogen causes addiction?

No pathogen causes addiction? A disease isn’t specific to a pathogen. You can have liver disease without having Hepatitis..

 

[AndyPanda]

No pathogen causes addiction? A disease isn’t specific to a pathogen. You can have liver disease without having Hepatitis..

Yes. But that’s a diseased organ. It could be genetic or from lifestyle choices like drinking. Lifestyle choices may cause a disease but they are not diseases. Is smoking a disease? Is sexuality a disease? Is masturbating a disease? If a person decides to murder someone, is a disease? If my credit sucks is it because I have a disease?

 

[Calm Logic]

If my credit sucks is it because I have a disease?

Credipenia is often caused by FICO-phobia.

 

[swimmer]

I hope you were being facetious.

That’s on them. Let natural selection do its thing. They chose that lifestyle.

Thats like saying:

You chose to put too much food in your mouth. When you die of an obesity related stroke or heart attack it's on you!!! You chose it!!

 

[AndyPanda]

You chose to put too much food in your mouth. When you die of an obesity related stroke or heart attack it's on you!!! You chose it!!

It would be. Exception being some sort of rare thyroid condition. That can be tested though.

I do feel bad for folks. I know I come off as a prick on here often, but my heart does go out to people who eat, drink or inject their feelings. It’s a level of deep hurt and sadness that many people don’t understand. I too have dawned a comfortable, warm blanket of self loathing. It’s a slippery slope.

 

[Calm Logic]

relegated to GPZ for all my supplies now.

Great selection there, including 10 cc syringes by Easy Touch. Thanks.

 

[keangkong]

What pathogen causes addiction? Seriously, people need to stop with the “food addiction” myth. It’s just another way for people to feel better about their predicament. I was overweight, and you would never catch me out turning tricks for a Pizza and Ice Cream. Nor would you see a bunch of obese people with the work “ethic” of a junkie, on the streets begging for money for their next fix of high fructose corn syrup. There was a time when I shaved in the shower because I was too disgusted to look mirrors and you would never catch me begging someone for food.

The only reason that it’s called a disease is so Doctors can sell you surgeries, companies can sell you drugs and to keep people unable to stand up against a system and to protect peoples feelings. It’s a diffusion of responsibility to blame other people. Instead of just saying “Hi, I’m AndyPanda and I love me some food and I’m often too lazy to work out…” It’s much easier to say I have some sort of affliction to get people to feel bad for, and be nice to me.

I DARE you to go into a clinic where someone is dying of Cancer, Hepatitis, or Huntington’s, look them and their family members straight in the eyes and say “I know what’s it’s like because I too have an uncontrollable disease, I’m obese.

The eating, is a mental health issue, a mental disorder. AKA an eating disorder.

@AndyPanda. I was working out. I actually worked out far more before starting weight loss medication. I started these drugs when I realized that I was unable to stop myself from eating as much as I was eating. Was it a lack of self-discpline? In a way: If I had perfect self-discipline, I'd be able to control my weight without taking these drugs. However, I don't generally have a self-discipline problems. To the best of my knowledge, a combination of my way of thinking, my environment (living in contemporary America) and my biology made it extremely difficult to stop eating. I could criticize myself for lacking the self-discipline to control my eating, but that self-criticism wouldn't help me lose weight except for an incredibly short time. I have heard people make statements like Zepbound changed their metabolism; the people eat as much as before starting Zepbound, they say. Considering that Zepbound had extremely limited impact on metabolism in the controlled trials, I believe those folks are most likely deluding themselves. They lost weight on Zepbound because they now eat less. That's why I lost weight. (It's a little tricker with reta, because reta does appear to cause a modest increase in metabolism.) However, telling the folks who think Zepbound changed their metabolism that they used to eat like a pig doesn't seem like it will accomplish much. And I'd be describing my own past eating. Am I cheating by using a weight loss drug? Actually, I look at it differently: I had the self-discipline and the insight to start drugs that would help me to lead a happier and healthier life. I personally don't like to use the word "addiction" to describe things that most psychologists wouldn't call an addiction. To the best of my knowledge, I have no addictions. I sure have a sweet tooth. And I have plenty of bad habits. But I don't seem to have anything that going to Alcoholic's Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous would help me with. I'd say I don't have a problem with alcohol and I'd be telling the truth. I don't have a problem with controlled substances. To be clear, I have many problems in my life. But I don't view addictions as one of them.

As to calling something a disease, yes, you are correct that doing so is necessary to get something covered by health insurance. Tell a health insurance company that a person is perfectly healthy but would like to lose ten pounds and you'll see a prior authorization get denied. It's the same thing with erectile dysfunction. It used to be if you were an old guy, that's just what happened. Now we have drugs for the condition. Thus, men get diagnosed with erectile dysfunction so that the drug (Cialis, in my case) will be approved.

 

[nevets]

Yes. But that’s a diseased organ. It could be genetic or from lifestyle choices like drinking. Lifestyle choices may cause a disease but they are not diseases. Is smoking a disease? Is sexuality a disease? Is masturbating a disease? If a person decides to murder someone, is a disease? If my credit sucks is it because I have a disease?

I'd say addiction is a disease of the brain then. Here's a couple of compounds and the dopamine response they provide (meth is stretched out to "scale" the dopamine response). It's unnatural to be able to have dopamine responses for an extended amount of time, and in some individuals there is a genetic disposition to be addicted and to "chase" that high. Smoking addiction is a disease that can be treated with nicotine replacement, varenicline, or buproprion. Masturbating can be a disease in the form of Compulsive Sexual Behavior. The other options I wouldn't say it's a disease because they don't necessarily affect organs or organ functions, but first to treat something you must have an idea that something is wrong in the first place.

It would be. Exception being some sort of rare thyroid condition. That can be tested though.

I do feel bad for folks. I know I come off as a prick on here often, but my heart does go out to people who eat, drink or inject their feelings. It’s a level of deep hurt and sadness that many people don’t understand. I too have dawned a comfortable, warm blanket of self loathing. It’s a slippery slope.

I don't think you are being a prick at all, I think it's a common sentiment that is based on our societal standards and understanding of conditions, which unfortunately isn't something that's taught in school. I've also seen mental illness and conditions like these weaponized either in politics and media which unfortunately doesn't help the stigma on mental health.

I appreciate that you're sharing your story and that you still have compassion for people who are going through struggles. I am sorry that you have had to experience a level of deep hurt and sadness that makes you self-loathe, but I am glad that you are here on this forum trying to improve yourself and your health.

 

[PackmanJohnny]

Great selection there, including 10 cc syringes by Easy Touch. Thanks.

I was a bit disappointed by their selection when I placed an order yesterday but I was amused at a few of the things that werent there the last time I checked. maybe the previous inventory was a bit larger than the norm.

 

[PackmanJohnny]

Thats like saying:

You chose to put too much food in your mouth. When you die of an obesity related stroke or heart attack it's on you!!! You chose it!!

Careful, theres a lot of people here who dont believe in personal agency lol

 

[keangkong]

I know I come off as a prick on here often . . .

Sometimes you do. Sometimes I become a little upset. Sometimes I'm glad that you're posting the stuff that I would like to post but I am too wimpy to do so. Sometimes you make me think. I prefer, in general, that there be a wide variety of acceptable opinions. I'm not suggesting we talk politics - I understand the reason for the ban on that type of discussion. However, if someone wants to discuss why we overeat, safety, or who is a good peptide vendor, I want folks to feel free to say all sorts of things. The only people who I don't want to hear from are true shills - those with a financial interest in promoting something but who are hiding that interest. I do realize that you wouldn't post the stuff you do here unless you intended to help others.

 

[DwightTheDelight]

Sometimes you do. Sometimes I become a little upset. Sometimes I'm glad that you're posting the stuff that I would like to post but I am too wimpy to do so. Sometimes you make me think. I prefer, in general, that there be a wide variety of acceptable opinions. I'm not suggesting we talk politics - I understand the reason for the ban on that type of discussion. However, if someone wants to discuss why we overeat, safety, or who is a good peptide vendor, I want folks to feel free to say all sorts of things. The only people who I don't want to hear from are true shills - those with a financial interest in promoting something but who are hiding that interest. I do realize that you wouldn't post the stuff you do here unless you intend to help others.

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