I think I might be dumb….

[Laxfinity]

Given that a Vial can be over filled, is it best do half or quarter what is stated to test it is not dangerously over filled. I know for example 10 mg feels like so if I did half even quarter and it felt Normal and no adverse effects,a week later do what should be 10mg .Of course the vial could be underfilled too .However that is not dangerous, just bad luck .

This is playing with fire and you can get very sick. Only buy tested vials and reconstitute to the amount on the COA.

 

[Garbo]

I'm sorry, what?

This guessing game can be avoided by having your peptides tested!

Do you ever get the sinking feeling you're fighting a losing battle ...

 

[MsGizmo]

Keep in mind that many peptide calculators will have you enter the dose you want to take in MICROgrams (mcg), not milligrams (mg). 1 mg = 1000 mcg, so for a 15 mg dose you would enter 15000 mcg.

So don't choose one of those.

 

[Carsten]

I would suggest thinking about this a different way. Less about how much of a bottle to take and more of a MG per ML dilution. Ultimately no matter what MG vial you buy, you are diluting the peptide with BAC water. The dilution is what matters.

So for example if you had a 30mg vial, you could dilute in 1ML (100 Units or 1 CC) and then your dose would be 50 Units ( .5 ML or .5 CC).

However the standard way most people would dilute a 30mg would be to use 3ML ( 300 Units or 3CC) so that the dilution is 10mg per 1ML. This makes the dosing easy because each 10 Units is 1mg. This of course would make your dosing difficult because you are on 15mg which at this dilution would be 150 units. Which is more than a standard insulin syringe can hold.

The only factor here that matters is MG per ML dilution. You can create any MG per ML dilution you wish,.

 

[lillypriceincrese]

This is playing with fire and you can get very sick. Only buy tested vials and reconstitute to the amount on the COA.

But how do I know ,just cause one viak is tested the other 9 will be the same weight. Surely it is better to take a smaller amount to test or am I missing something here .

 

[lillypriceincrese]

I would suggest thinking about this a different way. Less about how much of a bottle to take and more of a MG per ML dilution. Ultimately no matter what MG vial you buy, you are diluting the peptide with BAC water. The dilution is what matters.

So for example if you had a 30mg vial, you could dilute in 1ML (100 Units or 1 CC) and then your dose would be 50 Units ( .5 ML or .5 CC).

However the standard way most people would dilute a 30mg would be to use 3ML ( 300 Units or 3CC) so that the dilution is 10mg per 1ML. This makes the dosing easy because each 10 Units is 1mg. This of course would make your dosing difficult because you are on 15mg which at this dilution would be 150 units. Which is more than a standard insulin syringe can hold.

The only factor here that matters is MG per ML dilution. You can create any MG per ML dilution you wish,.

I kind of understand how to do the math based on what it says on the vial ,but say my 30mg vial was over or underfilled .Testing only counts for the one vial tested. I am just trying make sure I don't take too much .I can work out the calculations based on the vial but we have no way of telling if the vial is true weight or am I missing something .

 

[MsGizmo]

I kind of understand how to do the math based on what it says on the vial ,but say my 30mg vial was over or underfilled .Testing only counts for the one vial tested. I am just trying make sure I don't take too much .I can work out the calculations based on the vial but we have no way of telling if the vial is true weight or am I missing something .

Exactly. ALL of us are taking a risk just by injecting ourselves with something .. even if you get your GLP-1 from a pharmacy. Then there are the compounded versions. Then the grey market. Do we rely on the tests provided by the vender? Do we test as a group? Do we pay for our own tests. And yes .. even if we do our own tests the other 9 vials are going to be slightly different.

My personal risk level is buying from a well established vender and trusting their tests. I base my dosage on the mg listed in those tests. Sure, I am probably taking a tiny bit more or a tiny bit less. But its not enough to do anything to me.

For example .. lets say you have a goal of 15mg of tirz a week and you buy vials that are labeled as 60mg. So that vial is 4 doses. But .. let's say that vial is actually overfilled and is really 70mg. Each dose you take is really going to be 17.5mg. How much of a difference is an extra 2.5mg going to make assuming that your body was already used to getting 15mg?

 

[chmuse]

A t30 kit is like $100.

At 7.5mg that's about 9 months. 9 months of a 1200/month med for $100 TOTAL.

Do the test. It's worth it. If you don't want to join the like 10 testing servers that exist now, you can arrange with other people in the vendors server, the vendor doesn't give a crap especially if you let them poach your results to prove they're good. Or just choose a domestic lab, just research which ones don't suck.

If you want to go all in without paying for testing, good for you, but OP is clearly new and we don't need to add another level of things that can go wrong!

 

[brownb56]

According to Janoshik the peps will stay viable after reconstituted much longer than you would safely want to use them. Degradation isn't the issue. Contamination is the primary problem. Ideally 30 days. Some people push it up to 90 days.

 

[cheaperseeker]

I'll just leave this here.

What's the longest you've used a vial?

As a rookie I am unsure how long can you use a vial, as in drawing 1 time per week, for how many weeks? On the r/tirzepatidecompund they will use a vial untill the last drop, if it's clear and nothing can be seen floating in it. Jano says in his interview he can only say 1 month, but says it's...

glp1forum.com

 

[miss-sanne]

Hi!

I’m so sorry, I just have one question that I need an answer to. I’ve read loads but I don’t seem to be able to find an answer that I understand. Here goes…

So my rats dosage of tirz is 15mg weekly.

You can buy tirz in 15mg vials. If I fill it up with 3ml bac water then the rat would use the full vial once per week.

I get that you could buy tirz 30mg and use half the dose.

If you bought 120mg tirz you would use 1/4 weekly out of the vial and the vial would last 4 weeks.

However, when reconstituted- does the vial last more than 4 weeks in the fridge?

Also I’ve seen some buy 300mg tirz and I’m wondering how you can draw a small enough dose out of the vial to administer if you can only add 3ml of bac water to a vial?

Obviously, buying in larger quantities is the most economical option. But I’m trying to figure out how you dose that small for something like tirz 300mg.

I’m sorry if I’m being stupid. I’ve tried some dosage calculators and don’t seem to understand them.

Can you put more than 3ml bac in a vial? Is that the answer? Or are the larger mg vials larger in actual size to accommodate more water?

I haven’t even got to bitcoin yet. Are there any vendors that accept different methods of payment? I’ve seen PayPal mentioned but when I look on vendors posts the say bitcoin only.

Thank you everyone for all the information so far, I think if I get my head around this question then I will be ok.

what no ! 1/4 of 120 mg is 30 mg !

 

[cldfront]

This is the same mindset I enter with. We are all taking some risk. Though, unless the vial is accidentally filled with insulin (Which would be completely insane mistake). Than its not going to kill you.

There is a chance you are 10% over or under dosed. I mean maybe even more than 10% if your supplier is exceedingly bad. The odds of getting the wrong dose? low to medium risk. The risk of immediate death upon injection? 0.0000000000000001%

I just watched a podcast with Peter from Jano who described this exact scenario. A zero pep pen was further tested and determined to be insulin. Granted he was being asked about the 'worst he'd seen' but I think the number of digits in your risk percentages are, unfortunately, off.

 

[freddie]

I would suggest thinking about this a different way. Less about how much of a bottle to take and more of a MG per ML dilution. Ultimately no matter what MG vial you buy, you are diluting the peptide with BAC water. The dilution is what matters.

So for example if you had a 30mg vial, you could dilute in 1ML (100 Units or 1 CC) and then your dose would be 50 Units ( .5 ML or .5 CC).

However the standard way most people would dilute a 30mg would be to use 3ML ( 300 Units or 3CC) so that the dilution is 10mg per 1ML. This makes the dosing easy because each 10 Units is 1mg. This of course would make your dosing difficult because you are on 15mg which at this dilution would be 150 units. Which is more than a standard insulin syringe can hold.

The only factor here that matters is MG per ML dilution. You can create any MG per ML dilution you wish,.

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for your insight.

 

[Needsalife]

Hi!

I’m so sorry, I just have one question that I need an answer to. I’ve read loads but I don’t seem to be able to find an answer that I understand. Here goes…

So my rats dosage of tirz is 15mg weekly.

You can buy tirz in 15mg vials. If I fill it up with 3ml bac water then the rat would use the full vial once per week.

I get that you could buy tirz 30mg and use half the dose.

If you bought 120mg tirz you would use 1/4 weekly out of the vial and the vial would last 4 weeks.

However, when reconstituted- does the vial last more than 4 weeks in the fridge?

Also I’ve seen some buy 300mg tirz and I’m wondering how you can draw a small enough dose out of the vial to administer if you can only add 3ml of bac water to a vial?

Obviously, buying in larger quantities is the most economical option. But I’m trying to figure out how you dose that small for something like tirz 300mg.

I’m sorry if I’m being stupid. I’ve tried some dosage calculators and don’t seem to understand them.

Can you put more than 3ml bac in a vial? Is that the answer? Or are the larger mg vials larger in actual size to accommodate more water?

I haven’t even got to bitcoin yet. Are there any vendors that accept different methods of payment? I’ve seen PayPal mentioned but when I look on vendors posts the say bitcoin only.

Thank you everyone for all the information so far, I think if I get my head around this question then I will be ok.

Good luck! I’ve been reconstituting lots of different doses and lots of different peptides for over a year and half these suggestions have me shaking my head. I mostly understand what they’re saying but I’m amazed that they’re saying it, or even think that way. I won’t add to the noise. Like I said, good luck.

 

[Rezn8]

Something I haven't seen mentioned-

If you do a 15mg vial, don't recon with 3ml. That's a huge amount of liquid for one dose- unless you're using a gigantic syringe you'll probably be doing 3-6 shots for one dose.

Name brand doses are .5 ml each regardless of mg.

Hey now! I just got an answer to a question I haven't even thought of yet.

.5ml regardless of dosage is great info.

Out of curiosity, is there a minimum amount of BAC that could be used? Obviously if you were using on vile for multiple doses it would get harder to properly measure the dose. But in a situation where you were doing a single dose per bottle, is there a minimum bac amount required to safely reconstitute?

 

[chmuse]

Hey now! I just got an answer to a question I haven't even thought of yet.

.5ml regardless of dosage is great info.

Out of curiosity, is there a minimum amount of BAC that could be used? Obviously if you were using on vile for multiple doses it would get harder to properly measure the dose. But in a situation where you were doing a single dose per bottle, is there a minimum bac amount required to safely reconstitute?

Plenty of people aim for tiny shots, for a variety of reasons. If you were doing a single dose per vial, I would use a minimum of .5ml to make sure everything dissolves. (Most vials have approx the same size puck regardless of actual active ingredient amount.) Might take a while to dissolve, but I generally am generous with my bac water because I'd rather have a larger ml amount so it's harder to mess up by order of magnitudes.

Going to be very hard to get exactly one dose per vial anyway since you're almost always going to be overfilled to some degree.

 

[SummerX]

According to Janoshik the peps will stay viable after reconstituted much longer than you would safely want to use them. Degradation isn't the issue. Contamination is the primary problem. Ideally 30 days. Some people push it up to 90 days.

And this is with Janoshik using sterile water instead of bac for reconstitution so we can assume even longer on bac?