Grey (Chinese) Market Getting Noticed by Lawmakers

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Jerrey said:
Ain't that the truth! Between having guys like the honorable congressman here in their pocket and FDA (big pharma's enforcement arm) on their side its no wonder health care in the US is such a mess.
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Wouldn't it be great if eventually there were enough of us that politicians cared how we vote?
 
zootielolo said:
If the oils supplies mentioned on other sites is any

If the oils supply is any indication, this is correct. They have been trying to stop this market for ages and it still thrives.
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Exactly my point! They can't effectively stem the tide of Fentanyl which does actually represent a true crisis for public health! So how are they going to be able to shut down gray market peptides/ GLP-1s that are actually helping us live healthier better lives.
 
Meanwhile, pharmacies like CVS, Rite Aid, and Walgreens get their medications from Chinese manufacturers and sell them to us for damn near triple or more. They can kiss our skinny asses.

They're just mad that we found a loophole that doesn't require us to break wallets.

Then adding a sprinkle of dangerous as a keyword. Does Rite Aid do COAs? Nope, they depend on the COAs of the chinese manufactorers.
 
A lot of people here are pointing to the war on drugs being a "failure" and throwing that out as an example. That is a naive position to take. The war on drugs was hardly a failure. It was very much a success for private prison companies, drug treatment centers, and anybody else who stands to financially benefit from an ongoing "war" of that sort that justifies obscene government spending in favor of some vague aspirational cause. When the government declares a war on something that typically means you're going to get more of it because the people getting paid by the government to fight that war want to keep their livelihoods going. We could only dream that the government would declare a war on peptides.

Instead what is going to happen is they're going to clamp down on "counterfeit" and "dangerous" drugs entering our country illegally. Now this is no easy task to stamp out using current laws, but there's certainly the financial incentive to pass new laws and this has been done before. Back when music and movies was going digital the entertainment industry pushed the DMCA, which criminalized some pretty crazy things that we're still dealing with today. When that didn't prove to be enough the RIAA fought in some pretty clever ways (to the point where they were mass filing lawsuits against random people on the internet) to shut down music sharing online. They only backed down when they found a balance where ~80% of people went back to paying for their music and going after the rest just wasn't necessary anymore.

Those lawyers were pretty cutthroat, but they've got nothing on big pharma. Pharma has a history of knowingly killing and maiming people by suppressing or manipulating data (e.g. see Vioxx, contaminated Factor VIII, Oxy, or just google "largest criminal fine in US history"). I've got some ideas for how this could play out, but I'm not going to share them publicly because for those not as familiar with this history they'd probably sound insane.
 
zootielolo said:
If the oils supplies mentioned on other sites is any

If the oils supply is any indication, this is correct. They have been trying to stop this market for ages and it still thrives.
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Thays an excellent point
 
byefatlicia said:
Sen. Tom Cotton

Someone's got or is gonna get a nice campaign donation from BP...

"A recent analysis from the Food and Drug Administration and U.S. Customs and Border Patrol shows that between September 2023 and January 2025, 195 illegal shipments of APIs, likely used in compounded weight loss medications, entered the U.S. market."

Half of those went to a coffee shop in Texas 🤣

"It is estimated that as of January 2026, up to 1.5 million American patients could be using unregulated compounded weight loss medications that may contain potentially dangerous ingredients from Chinese manufacturers."

Nearly all are changing their health outcomes for the better and are thriving 🙂
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JoonyO said:
It is disgraceful... because it not our health they're focused on. It's our wealth. There's no money to be made off healthy people in the "industry".
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They should call it wealthcare instead of healthcare.
 
AYarter said:
Seems more like a crackdown on compounded pharmacies using Chinese vendors rather than people buying on telegram with Bitcoin
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I mean those are obviously the more immediate targets, but to the extent that significant market share is being lost via Tiktok influencers driving customers to telegram, that's obviously going to be a target too. It's unlikely that the will exists for them to eliminate 100% of the flow, but big pharma is obviously going to escalate in whatever ways they deem necessary to go after all the the low hanging fruit.
 
tubby said:
A lot of people here are pointing to the war on drugs being a "failure" and throwing that out as an example. That is a naive position to take. The war on drugs was hardly a failure. It was very much a success for private prison companies, drug treatment centers, and anybody else who stands to financially benefit from an ongoing "war" of that sort that justifies obscene government spending in favor of some vague aspirational cause. When the government declares a war on something that typically means you're going to get more of it because the people getting paid by the government to fight that war want to keep their livelihoods going. We could only dream that the government would declare a war on peptides.

Instead what is going to happen is they're going to clamp down on "counterfeit" and "dangerous" drugs entering our country illegally. Now this is no easy task to stamp out using current laws, but there's certainly the financial incentive to pass new laws and this has been done before. Back when music and movies was going digital the entertainment industry pushed the DMCA, which criminalized some pretty crazy things that we're still dealing with today. When that didn't prove to be enough the RIAA fought in some pretty clever ways (to the point where they were mass filing lawsuits against random people on the internet) to shut down music sharing online. They only backed down when they found a balance where ~80% of people went back to paying for their music and going after the rest just wasn't necessary anymore.

Those lawyers were pretty cutthroat, but they've got nothing on big pharma. Pharma has a history of knowingly killing and maiming people by suppressing or manipulating data (e.g. see Vioxx, contaminated Factor VIII, Oxy, or just google "largest criminal fine in US history"). I've got some ideas for how this could play out, but I'm not going to share them publicly because for those not as familiar with this history they'd probably sound insane.
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Now I am more interested in what you have to say. Throw some insane stuff at your northern neighbor.
 
tubby said:
I mean those are obviously the more immediate targets, but to the extent that significant market share is being lost via Tiktok influencers driving customers to telegram, that's obviously going to be a target too. It's unlikely that the will exists for them to eliminate 100% of the flow, but big pharma is obviously going to escalate in whatever ways they deem necessary to go after all the the low hanging fruit
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Sure, and that needs to stop. However, this letter is in line with the hims lawsuit -- that compounders are using unapproved apis...

The rest is speculation. Will they go there? Sure. But cbp has as much as said that they aren't interested in protecting patents.
 
BREAKING: Sen. Tom Cotton is demanding the FDA investigate whether illegal Chinese drug ingredients are entering the U.S. through compounded weight-loss meds, warning of serious public health and national security risks.

WTF? I came on here to learn. Now I find out I've been cavorting w/ spies, terrorists and commies.

That's just great....
 
Rolltide61 said:
BREAKING: Sen. Tom Cotton is demanding the FDA investigate whether illegal Chinese drug ingredients are entering the U.S. through compounded weight-loss meds, warning of serious public health and national security risks.

WTF? I came on here to learn. Now I find out I've been cavorting w/ spies, terrorists and commies.

That's just great....
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I prefer the term peptide pirates.
 
byefatlicia said:
Sen. Tom Cotton

Someone's got or is gonna get a nice campaign donation from BP...

"A recent analysis from the Food and Drug Administration and U.S. Customs and Border Patrol shows that between September 2023 and January 2025, 195 illegal shipments of APIs, likely used in compounded weight loss medications, entered the U.S. market."

Half of those went to a coffee shop in Texas 🤣

"It is estimated that as of January 2026, up to 1.5 million American patients could be using unregulated compounded weight loss medications that may contain potentially dangerous ingredients from Chinese manufacturers."

Nearly all are changing their health outcomes for the better and are thriving 🙂
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Remind Tom that he voted to take away health care subsidies that may have helped the people using the gray market now.
 
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