fetefille said:
You are wild.
You don’t think they should be promoted, but you sell them. You think fat folks should be making a plan to get off of them, while you, by your own admission are abusing them. Wild.
Saxenda has been out since late 2014, so coming up on a decade of glp-1 use for diabetics and off-label use. Will more be known in 20? Of course.
“All I’m trying to say is that I find it unfortunate for anyone to say this medication is the only solution (even if it is). Since it quickly gives others who doesn’t necessarily need it an “excuse” to decide that’s true for them too.”
What. Business. Is. It. Of. Yours?
Has anyone told you that you should stop taking them bc you’re taking them just cause? Told you that it’s too bad that you’ve found some use for them, and that that will unfortunately give others the idea that they should be “abusing” them, too?
Wild.
When did i ever bring a persons size or weight into this?
I think everyone should consider using a minimum of medication by default. That I choose to abuse medication doesn't make that any less true, nor the statement less valid. I'm not against anyone doing the same, but I do not advice nor recommend it. I don't see what's wild about that.
All I'm saying is that the general advice to anyone should be to use medicine only when necessary (Or if the risk/benefit is positive from the users perspective after being well informed) - what each individual choose is up to them, and whether it's necessary or not is also up to them.
I'm not critiquing anyone's use of glp-1s, and I don't understand where you get that from. You have made your choice and decided what's best for you. I don't have an issue with that, nor do I have the right to butt into your decisions - and even if I did my opinion shouldn't matter to you anyway.
What makes me rise an eyebrow and comment is not your experience, nor your personal choices or any perception I have about you, or anyone else for that matter:
It's a statistical fact that a lot of people underestimate their calorie intake and overestimate their calorie expenditure, I'm definitely not on point with my count myself unless I spend an absurd amount of time measuring food and writing a log - I am not talking to you nor anyone in specific, it's a general statement based on data/research, and my intention is not to use it as ammunition to make you feel bad or tell you that you are wrong.
What I'm trying to say is that there are many who mistakenly believe they are in a deficit while not losing weight. Posts like yours could validate that misconception and make someone prematurely decide that relying on medication is the right decision for them too.
I realize that statement might make me seem like an arrogant prick that thinks he knows better than you (or others in general) - I don't, I have no clue what your personal situation and I have not commented on it either.
But it's based on experience working with people who actually did not manage to properly count their calories despite making an effort - there is nothing wrong with them for that, we all have limited time and energy. Many of them were perfectly able to make the necessary changes without any medication at all and maintain the results.
I would believe that we can agree medication wouldn't have been the best option for them.
So I don't really see the huge issue of a different/opposing point of view encouraging moderation on an open forum. Especially not on a post that is quite aggressively denouncing said opinion.
I have also worked with people who would never be able to even start losing weight without the aid of these drugs. Some might need to cycle, some might stay on permanently and some will probably be able to maintain their results without drugs.
I'm not recommending that anyone push themselves and suffer continuously in order to avoid taking weight loss drugs, but your opinion seems to be that encouraging someone to figure out where their sweet spot is - is torment?
And if you completely disagree with me, that's fine - our opinions differ.
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"What. Business. Is. It. Of. Yours?"
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Has anyone told you that you should stop taking them bc you’re taking them just cause? Told you that it’s too bad that you’ve found some use for them, and that that will unfortunately give others the idea that they should be “abusing” them, too?
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How it's my business? I refer to the domain of the site you are on.
Forum: a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
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If anyone has a problem with it, that's their problem. And if someone gets the idea that they should do the same, I'll happily explain my take on upsides and downsides - And recommend not doing so, but I don't control what other people do.
I wouldn't expect people to shut up and not voice their opinion on my actions, even though I don't find them problematic. I can also see why someone would think they are, even agree - But I'll still do what I consider right for me - Without demanding that people respect that choice.
That said, the comparison doesn't make sense. What I'm doing is objectively "wrong" and vain, your use of GLP-1s seems to be reasonable.
My issue is NOT with the fact that you are taking what you're taking, I won't suggest that you try to change your habits and improve your lifestyle either - you have clearly made a decision that you are firm and comfortable with - and I would assume right for you from your description.
My issue is with the rhetoric, dividing "we" and "you", and "demonizing" well intended advice though it might be misplaced or flawed in many cases - it is not a personal attack.
I did not intend to make a big fuss here with my first post - and i probably did sidetrack quite significantly in some of my replies because of what I personally consider an unfounded attack for no reason. I have been attributed some qualities that I do not identify with at all, simply because of differing opinions. It shouldn't be very difficult to disagree without resorting to name calling or claiming that i have a bias towards certain groups of people.
I do understand where you are coming from to some extent, I've been on reddit asking for advice on situations that puzzled me with clients that were not getting results - and the responses are often unkind at best.
I find the hoops people have to jump through to get a prescription ridiculous when considering risk/reward of these drugs. But that doesn't mean that we should blindly encourage use without attempting to make changes, I realize that isn't what you are doing - But if you can't see why some people might consider your post slightly problematic - there is no point discussing it further.
We have different opinions, but I don't see how that warrants saying I'm wild or claiming that i have a bias towards overweight people.
I'm genuinely glad on your behalf that your life quality is improved. And if you feel that I am attacking that, I do apologize - That was not my intention.
I encounter a lot of focus on dosing, "can i increase the dose earlier", how fast this will work, can i stack x with y, and so on. If you don't find that slightly problematic, we will never agree anyway. And that's fine, but I don't see why that warrants assuming that I have a bias towards you.
And while people are welcome to do whatever they want, I don't see the issue in encouraging educated decision making. When you have people asking what to do with their vial of powder they just got in the mail, don't you agree that we might want to hit the brakes and encourage some moderation - Not fan the flames and complain about all the mean people that tell you to consider what your plan is with this drug.
