对于那些通过Reddit用户推荐来到这里的人来说……

[DwightTheDelight]

我完全同意这篇帖子。这个论坛对新手并不友好。自从互联网论坛诞生以来，我参与过各种各样的论坛（也当过几个版主），讨论过各种各样的话题。这个论坛里确实有一些有用的信息，但毫无疑问，它是我经历过的最不友好的论坛，甚至可以追溯到90年代。这里充斥着一群蠢货（当然也有一些不错的人）。

唐师傅，你说的并不完全正确。

就在上周，有个新人进来跟我说：“大家好，我来自西雅图，很高兴能向各位学习。”我立刻就说他是托儿，结果帖子就变成了他威胁要砍掉我的头。依我看，这才是典型的对新人友好的论坛行为。

 

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就我个人经验而言，Reddit 和这个论坛的区别不仅仅在于两个平台都有真人用户。关键在于它们的文化以及人们选择参与的方式。

坦白说，我通常更喜欢在这里观察和学习，而不是发帖。很长一段时间以来，这个论坛都让我感觉像是一个可靠且友好的平台，我可以在这里找到信息和支持。然而，当我尝试参与讨论却遭到敌意对待时，这种感觉发生了改变——并非因为我发表了什么煽动性言论，仅仅是因为我表达了对某个成员强烈反对的人的支持。

无论对错，我所受到的待遇充分说明了那些回应者的真实面目，尤其考虑到他们通常都表现得开放且乐于助人。这完全印证了我最初犹豫是否参与讨论的决定。令人失望的是，当敌意取代了建设性的对话，一个你欣赏的空间和一个你尊重的群体会如此迅速地失去价值。

所以，回答这个问题：关键的区别在于是否愿意真正帮助和引导他人。而遗憾的是，这一点似乎已经在这里消失了。

平心而论，你的第一条帖子并不是提问。你站出来为一家极具争议的商家辩护，这家商家以使用小号进行推销而臭名昭著。

 

[fetefille]

I was 30 day banned on a subreddit for "medical advice". I'm not so sure it's the culture and how people choose to engage. I think it might be more of just the population numbers. This forum can be somewhat "cliquey" and small world. But Reddit can just be cruel given the population numbers.

GLPF were quite vocally opposed with the (airquotes) "spreadsheet" and how bad and dangerous it is to the newcomer. With the alternative that every newbie "where should I buy" posts should snowball into several pages of nonsense with bits of information contained like "DYOR", "READ" and other. It almost feels a bit more like a sport. Let's tell the noob to DYOR! Get "street cred" with your "Fight Clubbers". And dang I just broke the first rule!

As for the cliquey-ness... it's probably largely dependent when these people decided to "join the gray side". Another forum has already popped up that is much more newcomer friendly. It's still being developed but at the risk of sounding cliquey, I've been asked not to publicly post links to it for the moment. However I can respond via DM if anyone is interested in getting their "noob" on. Or just want the straight dirt in a spreadsheet.

There is no shortage of ways to get help, and this forum isn't the only game in town. https://Data Mining Site can get you into several dozen GLP1 discords. There's also Telegram.

Once I joined Data Mining Site and then found invites to their native Discords, the forums have become less and less useful. Now I just come here to shit post and have a little fun.

"Everyone is a first time, a once" -Edna, Reform School Girls.

So a new forum is asking you not to talk about fight club publicly, huh? Well don’t that beat all.

Everyone didn’t start at the same level bc of varied backgrounds, and some folks just plain catch onto things faster.

I suggested to someone that helps run the tirzhelp discord that maybe a “what to expect while expecting” guide would be a good idea bc I was watching their folks freak the fuck out about wait times, communication, etc. They told me to kick fucking rocks. I let them know I’d seen at least 4 server owners lose their shit in long posts, not just bc of the large influx of folks, but bc of the behavior. No one advised the newer members to sit back, relax, observe a server’s atmosphere, and then join in. Again, told to fuck right off.

I had been directing people obviously drowning to that server, tg, whatever, now I just scroll right on by.

 

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directing newbies to Data Mining Site for help is absurd. It's bedlam there, you're in the vendors house. The only thing they want to help with is how to spend your money. Its fine for keeping up with sales or talking to the vendors when you need to.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Is it really that out of line to instruct newcomers that this isn’t a joke, they need to take responsibility for their own education because it involves personal risk assessment about decisions and consequences that only effect them, potentially quite seriously? All in a landscape full of cash grabbing opportunists? It’s not a “friendly” thing to say but the reality is that they’re wandering into a lion’s den with their wallet in hand and health on the line.

It is irresponsible not to take this approach in my opinion. You can’t spoon feed them whoever your preferred vendor is and then say “but I’m not responsible if you experience bad outcomes!”

 

[SassyPants]

Hear me out...........

We could feed them to Tracy.

WWTD ~ or WWTS? Kinda brilliant.

 

[brentm]

directing newbies to Data Mining Site for help is absurd. It's bedlam there, you're in the vendors house. The only thing they want to help with is how to spend your money. Its fine for keeping up with sales or talking to the vendors when you need to.

Vendors mostly yes... but there's plenty of general chit chat.

No one really has a solution to the "noob" problem. I say let them drink from a firehose.

Is it really that out of line to instruct newcomers that this isn’t a joke, they need to take responsibility for their own education because it involves personal risk assessment about decisions and consequences that only effect them, potentially quite seriously? All in a landscape full of cash grabbing opportunists? It’s not a “friendly” thing to say but the reality is that they’re wandering into a lion’s den with their wallet in hand and health on the line.

I don't think it's out of line to instruct newcomers that they're taking a big step at all.

But then again... there should be plenty of warning signs along the way. "Not for human use". Paying with irreversible methods.

It is irresponsible not to take this approach in my opinion. You can’t spoon feed them whoever your preferred vendor is and then say “but I’m not responsible if you experience bad outcomes!”

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Saying...

any "list" of suppliers/vendors is entirely the work of the author(s) and not this forum and will likely be flawed, contain subjective and/or unsubstantiated opinions, and in some cases may be incentivized by payment

I don't see any problem with being factual to newcomers.... "I've used these vendors recently and they delivered". Not really a recommendation so much as it is just stating the facts of who you've transacted with and had some success.

But at the end of the day... the onus is on the noob. No one else should be responsible for anyone else's decisions in life or health. Pushing the blame onto someone else for a bad recommendation or a vendor that's a scammer on the forum is just shirking responsibility for ones own actions.

No one is forcing anyone's hand here.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

So a new forum is asking you not to talk about fight club publicly, huh? Well don’t that beat all.

Everyone didn’t start at the same level bc of varied backgrounds, and some folks just plain catch onto things faster.

I suggested to someone that helps run the tirzhelp discord that maybe a “what to expect while expecting” guide would be a good idea bc I was watching their folks freak the fuck out about wait times, communication, etc. They told me to kick fucking rocks. I let them know I’d seen at least 4 server owners lose their shit in long posts, not just bc of the large influx of folks, but bc of the behavior. No one advised the newer members to sit back, relax, observe a server’s atmosphere, and then join in. Again, told to fuck right off.

I had been directing people obviously drowning to that server, tg, whatever, now I just scroll right on by.

Oof! I also have been directing the babiest of birds to the TirzHelp TG. Even though I was initially against a place like that, it does seem like some people really, truly need to be in the kiddie pool for a bit before they can swim with the big kids. Are you saying that, even in that environment, people still aren't getting the basics that it claims to provide?

TG doesn't seem like a great format to learn in because of how fast it moves. There must be like the same questions asked 15x/day because it gets asked, answered, then 50000 chats happens and then someone new comes in and asks the same thing because the information isn't in a searchable format. I much prefer the forum/topic/discussion environment.

Who told you to fuck off? I'd be very surprised if it was Stairmaster or Delulu as I haven't seen either of them be an actual asshole in public. I don't really know any of their other mods/admins.

 

[delululemonade]

Oof! I also have been directing the babiest of birds to the TirzHelp TG. Even though I was initially against a place like that, it does seem like some people really, truly need to be in the kiddie pool for a bit before they can swim with the big kids. Are you saying that, even in that environment, people still aren't getting the basics that it claims to provide?

TG doesn't seem like a great format to learn in because of how fast it moves. There must be like the same questions asked 15x/day because it gets asked, answered, then 50000 chats happens and then someone new comes in and asks the same thing because the information isn't in a searchable format. I much prefer the forum/topic/discussion environment.

Who told you to fuck off? I'd be very surprised if it was Stairmaster or Delulu as I haven't seen either of them be an actual asshole in public. I don't really know any of their other mods/admins.

For the record I did not tell her to fuck off at all.

My response was extremely cordial considering the 10 paragraphs of unsolicited criticism she sent me out of the blue at 6am. If anyone cares about this, dm me somewhere else and I’ll send you screenshots of the full convo - it’s mostly just boring and weird

To any newbies reading, if you haven’t found us already, come join us on Telegram if you’re looking for an open, safe space to learn about the gray market without all this toxic pretentiousness. We have a lot more fun and you might even learn some stuff

https://t.me/+jMcrqBGWRiJlZTEx

 

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Oof! I also have been directing the babiest of birds to the TirzHelp TG. Even though I was initially against a place like that, it does seem like some people really, truly need to be in the kiddie pool for a bit before they can swim with the big kids. Are you saying that, even in that environment, people still aren't getting the basics that it claims to provide?

TG doesn't seem like a great format to learn in because of how fast it moves. There must be like the same questions asked 15x/day because it gets asked, answered, then 50000 chats happens and then someone new comes in and asks the same thing because the information isn't in a searchable format. I much prefer the forum/topic/discussion environment.

Who told you to fuck off? I'd be very surprised if it was Stairmaster or Delulu as I haven't seen either of them be an actual asshole in public. I don't really know any of their other mods/admins.

I tried to convince SM it was a bad idea to make a seperate location that is disconnected from the people that have historical context. It's going to end badly.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

I tried to convince SM it was a bad idea to make a seperate location that is disconnected from the people that have historical context. It's going to end badly.

I mean, after some reflection, I don't think the idea of a "shallow end" is necessarily bad, I just think TG sucks for anything other than casual chat or announcements where the channel is closed for further discussion. How am I supposed to find any meaningful information when I come back after 4+ hours and there are 1000+ messages just in one channel!? I'm not looking for a needle in that haystack.

 

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I mean, after some reflection, I don't think the idea of a "shallow end" is necessarily bad, I just think TG sucks for anything other than casual chat or announcements where the channel is closed for further discussion. How am I supposed to find any meaningful information when I come back after 4+ hours and there are 1000+ messages just in one channel!? I'm not looking for a needle in that haystack.

This is the shallow end though. And it works because the important information from the deep end gets filtered up. agreed that tg is particularly bad for it as well because of the lack of context and history.

So they have two problems, not having strong connections to the deep end and an endless stream of chatter that means what you learn is entirely dependent on who's currently hanging out at any given moment.

 

[brentm]

For the record I did not tell her to fuck off at all.

My response was extremely cordial considering the 10 paragraphs of unsolicited criticism she sent me out of the blue at 6am. If anyone cares about this, dm me somewhere else and I’ll send you screenshots of the full convo - it’s mostly just boring and weird

To any newbies reading, if you haven’t found us already, come join us on Telegram if you’re looking for an open, safe space to learn about the gray market without all this toxic pretentiousness. We have a lot more fun and you might even learn some stuff

https://t.me/+jMcrqBGWRiJlZTEx

Everyone has an opinion and something something.

I'm personally not interested in any dirty laundry. It's nice that your subreddit is directing traffic to a place where a lot of these people can receive the level of attention they might need if they want to continue their weight loss/life improvement journey.

Somehow they end up on here, and boy, what a drag it is for this forum to have to have 7 pages of posts telling people how they ought to be doing something different for the newcomer instead of actually doing it. Or people threatening to come up with their own preferred vendor list, or recon tutorial, but not actually producing anything.

Shine on!

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Everyone has an opinion and something something.

I'm personally not interested in any dirty laundry. It's nice that your subreddit is directing traffic to a place where a lot of these people can receive the level of attention they might need if they want to continue their weight loss/life improvement journey.

Somehow they end up on here, and boy, what a drag it is for this forum to have to have 7 pages of posts telling people how they ought to be doing something different for the newcomer instead of actually doing it. Or people threatening to come up with their own preferred vendor list, or recon tutorial, but not actually producing anything.

Shine on!

it must do something for you since you spend so much time here.

 

[keangkong]

I mean, after some reflection, I don't think the idea of a "shallow end" is necessarily bad, I just think TG sucks for anything other than casual chat or announcements where the channel is closed for further discussion. How am I supposed to find any meaningful information when I come back after 4+ hours and there are 1000+ messages just in one channel!? I'm not looking for a needle in that haystack.

The actual tirzepatidehelp Telegram site is good. I agree it would be better if there was a Reddit-type group for tirzepatidehelp that didn’t have a rule prohibiting the naming of sources. But there isn’t. The GLP1 forum is set up reasonably well but has members that tend to be anti-newbie. People in the tirzhelp Telegram site are okay with newbies or else they wouldn’t belong to the channel. (I think channel is the right term, but I’m not Telegram savvy enough to know for sure.).

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

The actual tirzepatidehelp Telegram site is good. I agree it would be better if there was a Reddit-type group for tirzepatidehelp that didn’t have a rule prohibiting the naming of sources. But there isn’t. The GLP1 forum is set up reasonably well but has members that tend to be anti-newbie. People in the tirzhelp Telegram site are okay with newbies or else they wouldn’t belong to the channel. (I think channel is the right term, but I’m not Telegram savvy enough to know for sure.).

Everyone keeps saying it is anti-newbie which is not true at all. If a newbie posts:

“hi! I am new here, about to place my first order. I’ve done some reading and am stuck between Vendor X and Vendor Y for these reasons: yada yada yada. Does anyone have some anecdotal accounts that can speak to those concerns? Ideally if you’ve ordered from both that would be super helpful. Thanks very much, I appreciate you guys!”

… we would surely be welcoming and helpful. When they post “who do I buy from” it demonstrates that they have not done the bare minimum, which reads as lazy entitlement. The problem isn’t that someone is new, it is that it is both dangerous for them and disrespectful to all of us to try to outsource their due diligence to internet strangers.

If you’re new, but not that type of person, you probably won’t have to post a question anyway, since everything you need to know is all ready at your fingertips if you have a modicum of initiative. The lazy ones self-select by making those posts which gives the impression that we are anti-newbie.

 

[brentm]

it must do something for you since you spend so much time here.

I just like to use my weasel words. So you know... triggered.

 

[brentm]

Everyone keeps saying it is anti-newbie which is not true at all. If a newbie posts:

“hi! I am new here, about to place my first order. I’ve done some reading and am stuck between Vendor X and Vendor Y for these reasons: yada yada yada. Does anyone have some anecdotal accounts that can speak to those concerns? Ideally if you’ve ordered from both that would be super helpful. Thanks very much, I appreciate you guys!”

… we would surely be welcoming and helpful. When they post “who do I buy from” it demonstrates that they have not done the bare minimum, which reads as lazy entitlement. The problem isn’t that someone is new, it is that it is both dangerous for them and disrespectful to all of us to try to outsource their due diligence to internet strangers.

If you’re new, but not that type of person, you probably won’t have to post a question anyway, since everything you need to know is all ready at your fingertips if you have a modicum of initiative. The lazy ones self-select by making those posts which gives the impression that we are anti-newbie.

Nah, there was a whole thread of people complaining about the anticipation of the influx of new accounts when the compound Tirz rugpull occurred.

I mean, you're going to get your fair share of newcomers that are the "lazy ones".

That's what the spreadsheets were for. But no one has come up with a better version of it that pleases everyone. Vendor vetting on here is "bare minimum" at best. And maybe sometimes people just want someone with some time under their belt to tell them the time. Not build a clock.

It's not about being lazy as much as it is an attempt to be efficient. Or maybe it is lazy... let them spend money.... financial loss is a great teacher.

Heck, for longer than I care to admit, I thought purity meant no contaminants.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Nah, there was a whole thread of people complaining about the anticipation of the influx of new accounts when the compound Tirz rugpull occurred.

I mean, you're going to get your fair share of newcomers that are the "lazy ones".

That's what the spreadsheets were for. But no one has come up with a better version of it that pleases everyone. Vendor vetting on here is "bare minimum" at best. And maybe sometimes people just want someone with some time under their belt to tell them the time. Not build a clock.

It's not about being lazy as much as it is an attempt to be efficient. Or maybe it is lazy... let them spend money.... financial loss is a great teacher.

Heck, for longer than I care to admit, I thought purity meant no contaminants.

If you actually believe that and you want to be helpful and not just contrarian then instead of shitposting here all day go to the spinoff forum and get your guy to open up/take down the wall that he put the spreadsheet behind, we'll gladly direct them there.

 

[brentm]

If you actually believe that and you want to be helpful and not just contrarian then instead of shitposting here all day go to the spinoff forum and get your guy to open up/take down the wall that he put the spreadsheet behind, we'll gladly direct them there.