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I've been cycling on and off it at 400mcg for about 4 months. I can't honestly say it has an effect any different than placebo for me. Unfortunately, I no longer have my sleeptracker working so I can't tell if it is making my deep sleep longer. I don't see any indication in the OSCAR data from my CPAP though.

I bought a kit so I'll probably keep at it for a while. It's cheap.
 
I can attest to DSIP working. I'm on week 3 and it has made a huge difference. I have horrible insomina -can't fall asleep. I was already taking ashwaghanda KSM66, L-theanine, taurine, magnesium glycinate, melatonin, phospatidylserine, and gaba. some nights were so bad I had to resort to doxylamine. I finally could fall asleep but still tossed and turned a lot of nights I gave 250mcg DSIP and 250mcg CJC a try. Now I can can fall asleep faster, sleep through the night and dream like I never have before. Waking up was also a struggle. Snoozing my alarm 3-4 times and always late for work. Now I can naturally wake up 1 hour before my alarm feeling well rested.

I then decided maybe epitalon would be a good add. Be careful, it is strong! I took 1 mg intranasally and slept ZERO! It may have been too high a dose for me and it apparently energizes some, so I guess that was me. I plan to dilute it to only 200mcg taken 6 hours before bed like someone who had the same effects suggested. Good luck.
 
I sleep so bad these days that even if it's a 50/50 chance I might be swooping up some DSIP to try.

Just added to Taurine to my stack of Magnesium, Glycine and Chamomile tea.
 
I am also interested in trying DSIP. I have trouble staying asleep, but then can't stay awake during the day. Who do you recommend for DSIP, epitalon, etc. A lot of the advertisers on here only stock the most popular peps. Also what ate the recommended protocols?
 
laansasa said:
I can attest to DSIP working. I'm on week 3 and it has made a huge difference. I have horrible insomina -can't fall asleep. I was already taking ashwaghanda KSM66, L-theanine, taurine, magnesium glycinate, melatonin, phospatidylserine, and gaba. some nights were so bad I had to resort to doxylamine. I finally could fall asleep but still tossed and turned a lot of nights I gave 250mcg DSIP and 250mcg CJC a try. Now I can can fall asleep faster, sleep through the night and dream like I never have before. Waking up was also a struggle. Snoozing my alarm 3-4 times and always late for work. Now I can naturally wake up 1 hour before my alarm feeling well rested.

I then decided maybe epitalon would be a good add. Be careful, it is strong! I took 1 mg intranasally and slept ZERO! It may have been too high a dose for me and it apparently energizes some, so I guess that was me. I plan to dilute it to only 200mcg taken 6 hours before bed like someone who had the same effects suggested. Good luck.
I'm glad to hear of your results. I'm using the same supplements that do not seem to be doing anything for me. I've got a kit of DSIP and haven't tried it yet. CJC kept me awake longer, and I woke up several times during the night. I already feel like a pin cushion, so my plan is to use DSIP nasally. How long before bedtime do you use it?
 
Jfrick11 said:
I've used it at the same time with Epithalon. Absolutely magnificent. My deep sleep and length of sleep changed significantly. I used both as intranasal sprays
Where do you get the sprays?
 
Cul8rbye said:
Where do you get the sprays?
You mix it with saline instead of BAC and put it in a snoot bottle. You can get everything off amazon. I prefer intranasal for semax and selank.
 
Lovedog100 said:
I'm glad to hear of your results. I'm using the same supplements that do not seem to be doing anything for me. I've got a kit of DSIP and haven't tried it yet. CJC kept me awake longer, and I woke up several times during the night. I already feel like a pin cushion, so my plan is to use DSIP nasally. How long before bedtime do you use it?
I hope it works for you. I usually pin 30 min. to 1 hour before bed. It doesn't really make you sleepy but you will sleep DEEP and uninterrupted. This will cause you to wake early naturally and slowly shift your schedule. I'm sorry to hear CJC kept you up. Epitalon did that to me. I did 1 mg nasally and I slept nothing that night. I want to give it a second shot as someone else suggested - 200 mcg 6 hours before bed. I wonder if CJC earlier in the evening will help you? Or maybe ipamorelin?
 
Pep-Pedia mentions 5-10 day cycles. Do you all keep to the recommended cycle or go longer than that?
 
laansasa said:
I hope it works for you. I usually pin 30 min. to 1 hour before bed. It doesn't really make you sleepy but you will sleep DEEP and uninterrupted. This will cause you to wake early naturally and slowly shift your schedule. I'm sorry to hear CJC kept you up. Epitalon did that to me. I did 1 mg nasally and I slept nothing that night. I want to give it a second shot as someone else suggested - 200 mcg 6 hours before bed. I wonder if CJC earlier in the evening will help you? Or maybe ipamorelin?
I did CJC and Ipamorlin together, so I really don't know which one kept me awake, or maybe it was the effect of both together. I switched to using them in the morning before breakfast, while still fasting. I had much better results that way. I gave them up when I started Tesamorlin. I just couldn't inject twice a day. I'm seriously considering dropping the Tesa and go back to a once a week Reta injection.

This whole thing has expanded way past what my initial goal of losing weight. I started with a once a week injection of Ozempic. Today I'm injecting daily, have a whole box full of supplements that I take daily along with herbs and teas. The more that I learn, the more things that I add. It's starting to feel like an addiction. I do like the results, it just feels like it's getting out of hand.
 
Lovedog100 said:
I did CJC and Ipamorlin together, so I really don't know which one kept me awake, or maybe it was the effect of both together. I switched to using them in the morning before breakfast, while still fasting. I had much better results that way. I gave them up when I started Tesamorlin. I just couldn't inject twice a day. I'm seriously considering dropping the Tesa and go back to a once a week Reta injection.

This whole thing has expanded way past what my initial goal of losing weight. I started with a once a week injection of Ozempic. Today I'm injecting daily, have a whole box full of supplements that I take daily along with herbs and teas. The more that I learn, the more things that I add. It's starting to feel like an addiction. I do like the results, it just feels like it's getting out of hand.
I think that is most of us on here. We start with 1 and end up buying 3 more then end up with a freezer full. I started with CJC, DSIP, & AOD. I also got reta but might never use it at all. I just started KPV, Kisspeptin, Mots-C and have AHK-Cu waiting in line. The Epitalon experience made me take a break but plan on getting back to it soon.

This is all on top of the 10 daytime supplements and 10 night time supplements I take. Endless shenanigans for sure.
 
Lovedog100 said:
I did CJC and Ipamorlin together, so I really don't know which one kept me awake, or maybe it was the effect of both together. I switched to using them in the morning before breakfast, while still fasting. I had much better results that way. I gave them up when I started Tesamorlin. I just couldn't inject twice a day. I'm seriously considering dropping the Tesa and go back to a once a week Reta injection.

This whole thing has expanded way past what my initial goal of losing weight. I started with a once a week injection of Ozempic. Today I'm injecting daily, have a whole box full of supplements that I take daily along with herbs and teas. The more that I learn, the more things that I add. It's starting to feel like an addiction. I do like the results, it just feels like it's getting out of hand.

I don’t think I’m getting out of hand, but I’m much the same. My personality is to go overboard on hobbies, get an above average knowledge of it, get bored and move to something else (typically takes months-years). Sometimes those knowledge bases turn into business or other longer term less manic things. So far this interest has been fairly inexpensive with presumptively great long term benefits.

I started with Zepbound 19 weeks ago quite anxious around self administered shots to the point I didn’t make a go of TRT 4 years ago (IM) take nothing daily.

5 week later I’m down 19lb pinning Reta 2x weekly BPC 2x daily, and TRT 3x weekly with two gym memberships.

19 weeks in I’m down 50lb, have two types of fiber, 18 pills (1 Rx, the rest supplements), and two amino acids that I take daily. Blood work gets done frequently (twice this month) to quantify progress or answer new questions. I’ve had a near lifelong malady diagnosed and easily treated, substantially improving quality of life (EoE). I have decades of appetite controlling peptides on hand or on order, with 18 peptides on hand or on order. I went from wearing an Apple Watch for notifications to using it and an Oura Ring to track my baseline and deviations from it.

Realistically I’m in the realm of 5 months from being in the best shape of my adult life. I don’t think I’m “developing life altering habits” along the way, but I am picking up tools to have a radically altered trajectory with minimal amount of exertion which bodes well for long term compliance.
 
laansasa said:
I can attest to DSIP working. I'm on week 3 and it has made a huge difference. I have horrible insomina -can't fall asleep. I was already taking ashwaghanda KSM66, L-theanine, taurine, magnesium glycinate, melatonin, phospatidylserine, and gaba. some nights were so bad I had to resort to doxylamine. I finally could fall asleep but still tossed and turned a lot of nights I gave 250mcg DSIP and 250mcg CJC a try. Now I can can fall asleep faster, sleep through the night and dream like I never have before. Waking up was also a struggle. Snoozing my alarm 3-4 times and always late for work. Now I can naturally wake up 1 hour before my alarm feeling well rested.

I then decided maybe epitalon would be a good add. Be careful, it is strong! I took 1 mg intranasally and slept ZERO! It may have been too high a dose for me and it apparently energizes some, so I guess that was me. I plan to dilute it to only 200mcg taken 6 hours before bed like someone who had the same effects suggested. Good luck.
can you let us know what the epitalon feels like (in tandem w/ dsip or on its own) once you reduced the dose?
 
nnnnnaaaaa said:
can you let us know what the epitalon feels like (in tandem w/ dsip or on its own) once you reduced the dose?
Will do. I might start it again next week and run it for 20 days if I am able to find my dosage sweet spot.
 
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laansasa said:
Will do. I might start it again next week and run it for 20 days if I am able to find my dosage sweet spot.
thank you, good luck, let us know!
 
i bought a test single vial to try out, it got delayed a bit and got here after my wife gave birth to our first last week now im too worried to try it. she had a rough time so i am doing everything right now and dont want to be groggy or anything since you never know if you are going to get 45 minutes of sleep or 4 hours and naturally i am such a light sleeper i am fully functioning immediately, i can even answer questions she askes me while im still "asleep" because just her asking me wakes me up. hopefully once he starts sleeping more consistently i can finally hop on it, but untill then i guess itll just sit in the cabinet
 
I started using it (0.5mg-0.9mg eyeball it before sleep), and somehow woke up much more during the nights consistently, but also somehow woke up more rested/felt better. This is actually the most common anecdotal report, that people feel better the second day, not that it fixed their schedule or that they feel better sleeping, it might just be placebo though so take my word with salt.

Here's the thing though, its INCREDIBLY inconsistent, in studies, in practice, everywhere, and for me, not only can it have different effect curves and different effects in different people but the effects can differ at the same dose, and same person, just a different night.

The only 2 consistent stuff are: the higher the dose the higher chance of side effects such as paradoxical wakefulness etc. but the side effects are rare and not many people experience them(also the effects and side effects likely only lasts for like a few hours, so it wont give you day long problems), and also the more "stressed" you are/lack sleep, the more actual chance it works for you, so that's a good thing kinda.

Most of the time its a gamble between no effect and effects, but sometimes, yes side effects can surface in my experience.

Did it help me? Somewhat, I would say its overated but also good enough to use if you have sleep quality issues. And yes I'll keep using it but I only have been on it for a week, so just one vial out of 10. I'll prolly up the dose to like 1mg-1.2mg for the next vial and see how it works.

I am now looking into epitalon , it seems much more consistent from what I can see on the surface but haven't looked deep into it.

Oh and also we don't even know how it acts in the body at all, reta has clear mechanism on 3 different hormones, this thing has like no data at all, no well-established receptor and no clean, reproducible mechanism, we can onyl speculate the area/system it might affect, such as stress axis, sleep related brain regions etc. Its a mystery drug.
 
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