Dosage for Eptialon/Epithalon
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timj382
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You have been… using GHK? BPC?CNCCurrency said:
CNCCurrency
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No, epitalon and thymalintimj382 said:
timj382
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Must be going well. Would love continued updates.CNCCurrency said:
My girl Annie outlived a "3 months to live at most" diagnosis given by vets and oncologists in June 2022. The nearly 4-year extension was functional medicine vet, ozone therapy, high-dose vitamin C, Viscum album, Helleborus Niger, Thorne Vet stuff, and a lot more. But I lost my sweet girl last week. It's been the actual worst. TMI. But all that is to say, when I finally feel ready (it's gonna be a long while) and adopt new pups, I love feeling armed with as much health info as possible. Thanks for sharing about Coraline and I hope it continues to go beautifully. Seriously, please keep us posted. She looks like a wonderful sweet soul.
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That is sad to hear, if I lose her it will be like losing one of my kids. Epitalon in rats inhibited mammary gland tumors in rats. Those that had them shrunk in size. my girl had one of her teats removed due to a mammary gland tumor last year, so I'm hoping no new ones form. The rats on epitalon with the tumors lived 30% longer than the untreated rats with the tumors. Lots of studies on the benefits just most are from other countries. JFK jr said he is taking it off the do not compound in the US list so dr's will soon be able to prescribe it in the US. He believes in the science.timj382 said:
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Thank you for this clarification. If the dosage really were 100mcg, then a 10mg vial would give 100 doses. That’d be nonsense.Chili777 said:
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I dose her 1/2 mg or 500mcg a day x 20 days a month. So a 10 mg vial with 2ml of bac equals 20 shots of 10 units. Thymalin the same. i bought so many kits of epitalon at around $35-40 a kit so each kit last 10 months. Thamalin are a little more around $55. So for less that 10 bucks a month hoping she may live 30% long which gives me comfort.yota96 said:
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100 mcg a day for 30 days = 3 grams. Then break 3 months and do it again..CNCCurrency said:
The study showed Epitalon took 21 days to react with normal cells, so I just extended it to 30 days because I'm cautious. I also increased dosage to 330 mcg a day 30 days - why not - it was a 10mg vial, I was gonna have to throw it away, so I just I increased the dose for it.
Now if they could just get the Pinealon dosing down correctly. I am on Epitalon / Pinealon protocol, so I originally bought 10 mg vials (but they should create 40 or 50 mg vials): I dosed Pinealon 2 mg a day for 1st 10 days, then 5 mg a day last 10 days - then break 3 months and start cycle over.
Another "expert" says "No, Take 1 mg Pinealon 1st 5 days, 1.5 mg days 6-14, then 2 mg days 15 through 20 ( or 30 days...)
I start Epitalon-Pinealon over in late April. I'm sleeping better, which is a lot cuz I'm a 10 year insomniac, actually getting some rest and recovery. I'm really uncertain as to all of the benefits yet, probably will take another half a year.
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Yeah, 100 mcg x 30 =3000 mcg = 3 mgJude133 said:
Romulusguy
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I just finished a 10 day Epithalin (subq) cycle. I also began with 1MG, and had vivid dreams that night. However, I felt nothing the next few days, and after a bit more research, moved up to 5MG. I had incredibly vivid dreams when I used 5MG, slept fantastically, and woke up refreshed. THAT SAID: I am 198lbs, mid 40's male, and this was all done OUTSIDE of an actual research environment so...your own mileage may vary 
Epitalon is what saved me from stopping Reta due to sleep issues. After trying everything possibly mentioned on the internet to help with sleep I looked into and picked up some NA Epitalon after reading it was somewhat stronger than the normal Epitalon.
Granted I had really shitty sleep the night before starting it and I dosed 2mg that morning instead of the 200mcg I meant to (I have read all about the dosing and translation error, so I wasn't worried about the amount I stupidly took) but I slept like baby that night and have every night since, even while correcting my dose back down to 200mcg the next day. I currently use 400mcg every morning and will stop at when finishing the vial which is roughly 30 days which is about to end this week so that will be interesting to see what happens to my sleep...
Granted I had really shitty sleep the night before starting it and I dosed 2mg that morning instead of the 200mcg I meant to (I have read all about the dosing and translation error, so I wasn't worried about the amount I stupidly took) but I slept like baby that night and have every night since, even while correcting my dose back down to 200mcg the next day. I currently use 400mcg every morning and will stop at when finishing the vial which is roughly 30 days which is about to end this week so that will be interesting to see what happens to my sleep...
Romulusguy
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Great idea. As is the case with any peptide, it;s best to start LOW and see how it affects you, then move up as necessary. Every body is different so some adjustments are usually neededPinKushn said:
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Not sure how you would even know if there was a difference? Not a peptide where you notice much of anything. Only one guy I know of that test his cellular aging after each cycle and posts the results from each cycle.Chrissven said:
Researcher6076
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There is so much confusion around dosing on these. Yes, the the animal derived peptides they started using in Russian studies were generally weaker than the synthetic epitalon we have access to today. But there is no reliable research on what the correct dosage ratio should be. Unfortunately, a lot of people toss around a thousand to one or 100 to one. But there is no basis in fact for those ratios. Just people quoting each other, with whoever shouts the loudest winning. Animal derived peptide had widely varying strength , that's why so many attempts to measure the ratio of been unsuccessful.kellymcallister said:The following statement I keep seeing everywhere surrounding the dosage for Epitalon is confusing the heck out of me.....
"There was a mistranslation between Epithalon and Epithalamin. Epithalamin is an extract of Epithalon and is less concentrated. The protocols are adjusted accordingly. 10 mg of Epithalamin = 100 mcg of Epithalon".
What if I already have Epitalon/aka Epithalon there should be no adjustment, correct? And if so what is the dosage daily?
Can someone please make it simple for me:
I have purchased 10 x 10mg vials of Epitalon/aka Epithalon, what would be the daily/dosage in mg? I'm looking at following the Dr Seeds protocol ??? daily for 10 days done twice a year.
Thank you in advance
It's worth noting that the last Russian studies used the synthetic peptide and kept their daily dosage at 10 mg. It's also worth noting that 10 mg of the synthetic is still widely used as the standard dose in many protocols with no side effects.
This is just one of those areas , like so many in our peptide world, where we don't have enough human clinical data and we're left just deciding our personal choice.
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Original was a pineal polypeptide extract from cattle, we have a synthetic version which has been said dosages are not equal to the original protocol.Researcher6076 said:
Epithalamin (sometimes spelled “epithalamine”) is a crude polypeptide extract of bovinepineal glands while epithalon (also spelled “epitalon”) is a tetrapeptide isolate (Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly) fromepithalamin that can also be made synthetically.
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I think I explained myself You know, we all make typographical letters. For research purposes onlyCNCCurrency said:
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Yeah, I think I would have to go through 3, 4 cycles to really get an idea of how it was working especially at a cellular level! But as for my sleeping pattern, and just overall more general alertness:CNCCurrency said:
I had several TBIs a few years back, It took me seven or eight years just to get back on track My memory was shot; I'd walk into a room and go "what the hell am I doing in here Oh yeah that's right.."
Now I don't do that anymore since I had the Epitalon and the pinealon, & started getting some real sleep - REM Deep Sleep.
I'm slowly recovering. I'm not a spring chicken either, so to recover at my age from multiple TBI's and just a life of pure HELL says something, I don't know what but it says something.
1-2 times a year.kellymcallister said:The following statement I keep seeing everywhere surrounding the dosage for Epitalon is confusing the heck out of me.....
"There was a mistranslation between Epithalon and Epithalamin. Epithalamin is an extract of Epithalon and is less concentrated. The protocols are adjusted accordingly. 10 mg of Epithalamin = 100 mcg of Epithalon".
What if I already have Epitalon/aka Epithalon there should be no adjustment, correct? And if so what is the dosage daily?
Can someone please make it simple for me:
I have purchased 10 x 10mg vials of Epitalon/aka Epithalon, what would be the daily/dosage in mg? I'm looking at following the Dr Seeds protocol ??? daily for 10 days done twice a year.
Thank you in advance
2.5mg for 20 days.
this is what ive always followed
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