从今天开始！

[longestyards]

hi,

Nice post, very detailed.

Can you tell me what kind of hunger you’re feeling? Do you have a diet plan?

I started Reta at 0.5 once a week, then split it into 2 doses of 0.25. My sweet spot ended up being 3 doses of 0.25. My body usually starts adapting after about 3 weeks, and then I increase each dose by another 0.25. This way, I can control hunger, reduce food noise, and still get the benefits from glucagon.

I have a strict diet plan with 4 meals per day. When it gets close to mealtime, I get hungry too (not impulsive hunger) and when i eat it stops. Maybe having fixed times to eat will help you too.

Reta don't have this huge supress appetite like others, and thats why is better... your body needs eat to get energy and preserve mass

Hey, great post detailing how you have done it so far.

The hunger i am feeling is not at all "food noise" where i think, when is the next time i can eat, or I need food or I want to eat something. But it is more physical. I can feel in my body (what i believe to be the stomach area) that I am very irritated and that it lightly hurts somehow. Since I have done a lot of cutting in the past without peptides, I recognize this hunger as when I am being in a calorie deficit.

Despite not having food noise, I will succumb to this hunger feeling anyways. Another problem is that when I eat, I seem to eat larger portions just fine. However, notice that all this is just on 1mg a week.

Now, for the last week, i have increased to 2 mg, and honestly, there is a huge difference for me now. Now, I can eat a 200-300 kcal meal and be happy for 3-4 hours. So, I do that 3-4 times a day, which results in about 1200-1500 kcal i reckon.

At first, on 1mg, i did not have a meal plan. I just wanted to see what it did to me naturally. Now, on 2mg, i do actually have a meal plan: i eat 4 times daily (sometimes 3) and the meals are consisting of just proteins and fibers. So, I can eat a whole 300g chicken breast with 100g kidney beans. That's one meal. I find this is enough for me to feel somewhat satisfied such that i don't want any snacks. This has been working WONDERFUL for me the past week (since last friday when i started at 2mg).

 

[hosseinzadeh]

hello fellow norwegian! might be a super stupid question, but when you order for example like you did are all those vials 5 mg? 5 * 10 = 50 mg in total? for like 80 usd?

 

[longestyards]

hello fellow norwegian! might be a super stupid question, but when you order for example like you did are all those vials 5 mg? 5 * 10 = 50 mg in total? for like 80 usd?

Hello fellow nordmann! That is correct! It actually sounds crazy cheap when you put it like that now…

 

[BNLFL]

Hello fellow nordmann! That is correct! It actually sounds crazy cheap when you put it like that now…

5mg vials?

 

[woundcarping]

Hello fellow nordmann! That is correct! It actually sounds crazy cheap when you put it like that now…

Norway must be a different market, $1.6/mg is relatively expensive compared to here.

The best pricing I've seen on Reta is 140mg kit (1400mg in total) for $320 with testing included. Price per mg puts the cost for 50mg at $11.43. The most I've paid for Reta was $.79/mg for R20 (one kit to get started/reduce vial life) and the typical R60 I've bought was $.48/mg.

 

[longestyards]

5mg vials?

Yes 5mg x 10, so total 50mg for 80 usd.

Norway must be a different market, $1.6/mg is relatively expensive compared to here.

The best pricing I've seen on Reta is 140mg kit (1400mg in total) for $320 with testing included. Price per mg puts the cost for 50mg at $11.43. The most I've paid for Reta was $.79/mg for R20 (one kit to get started/reduce vial life) and the typical R60 I've bought was $.48/mg.

I think it's just unit price gets better the more you buy. For instance, I think 30mg x 10 vials costs like $200 but 60mg x 10 vials (which is double) costs $300 and not $400, you know?

 

[longestyards]

WEEK 3 UPDATE

I am very happy with this week's progress!

My appetite suppression has been amazing! I injected 2mg last friday (7 days ago) and already on Sunday I was feeling pretty good appetite suppression. It lasted until today I would say.

WEIGHT

Last week: 94.3kg / 207.9 lbs

Now: 90.7kg / 200 lbs

Difference: -3.6kg / -7.9 lbs

Insane that I have gone down almost 8 lbs! I find it a bit hard to believe and the scale must have been wrong last week?? Because last week I only weighed like once (on friday) but this week I have been weighing everyday since Monday. So, I am sure the current weight of 200 lbs is correct. I have no explanation for this.

PROTOCOL

2.0 mg reta Friday afternoon (8 pm ish today)

DIARY

Saturday I ate maybe 2500 kcal. But on Sunday I was able to fast pretty easily (no food eaten all day). Then on Monday i ate maybe 1000 kcal, all protein and fibers (psyllium husk). I would eat like this, 3-4 meals a day, just protein and psyllium husk for tuesday and wednesday as well, so around 1000-1200 kcal. Then on thursday, i started eating kidney beans (also just fibers very low carbs) and had about 1500 kcal. Today, I had about 1800 kcal I think.

Appetite suppression does get noticeably weaker as the week ends.

PLANS FORWARD

Since I am very happy with the progress this week, I will keep the 2mg until i am unhappy. But I think I will be able to keep 2mg for at least 3-4 more weeks. Although I might increase to 3mg in 2-3 weeks, we'll see!

SIDE NOTE

I said i had been ordering tesamorelin 10mg + ipamorelin 5mg a few weeks ago. But unfortunately the vendor was doing some weird stuff where they would have some problems not being able to send for a week. Then after a week I asked and they told me i had to now provide tax id. I did not want to give them my tax id so I requested a refund which i promptly got back with no complications. I have now ordered tesamorelin 10mg + ipamorelin 5mg from another vendor!

So, if i there was no delay on the first vendor I would have gotten the tesa+ipa already or in a few days. But now I have to wait probably two more weeks till i get them.

 

[BNLFL]

Norway must be a different market, $1.6/mg is relatively expensive compared to here.

The best pricing I've seen on Reta is 140mg kit (1400mg in total) for $320 with testing included. Price per mg puts the cost for 50mg at $11.43. The most I've paid for Reta was $.79/mg for R20 (one kit to get started/reduce vial life) and the typical R60 I've bought was $.48/mg.

Works out to $.23 (23 cents) a mg. I have some coming too.

 

[woundcarping]

Works out to $.23 (23 cents) a mg. I have some coming too.

At my current dose and assuming a 1% average overfill, I have enough coming for 17 years

 

[BNLFL]

At my current dose and assuming a 1% average overfill, I have enough coming for 17 years

Damn son! I'm sitting on 6 years plus with the incoming 6 kits from recent GB with the wife and I current dose amounts. I guess I have some catching up to do.

 

[woundcarping]

Damn son! I'm sitting on 6 years plus with the incoming 6 kits from recent GB with the wife and I current dose amounts. I guess I have some catching up to do.

I don’t anticipate staying at 16mg/week long term, I’ve got ~40lb to go, probably Octoberish to that point.

I’ve got a couple years in the freezer, plus a fair bit of Tirz and Cag in the freezer and more of each on the way.

 

[BNLFL]

I don’t anticipate staying at 16mg/week long term, I’ve got ~40lb to go, probably Octoberish to that point.

I’ve got a couple years in the freezer, plus a fair bit of Tirz and Cag in the freezer and more of each on the way.

Just added up vials. I'll have 70 vials currently and 70 vials on the way from a couple of GB. That'll make 140 vials from 24-140 when the GB show up in 6-10 weeks. I did total mg too, scary, so likely way more than 6 years at the current rate.

 

[longestyards]

WEEK 5 UPDATE

Sorry, last week (week 4) was labor day on Friday so I had a small vacation and couldn't weigh myself, so I didn't do an update.

Overall, It looks like my stomach fat is reducing, but my weight is the same??

WEIGHT

Last week: 90.7kg / 200 lbs

Now: 91.4kg / 201.5 lbs

Difference: +0.7kg / +1.5 lbs

I have no idea why my weight has gone up a bit? I definitely have lost fat around my belly! The only thing I can think of is that i somehow have gained a bit of muscle or maybe i have somehow started to retain more water? No idea...

PROTOCOL

3.0 mg reta Friday afternoon (7 pm ish today)

Today is my first time on 3mg reta! I was previously on 2mg reta until today. But i do not feel the satiety suppression is strong enough! I think my hunger suppression is okay, but i want greater effect!

DIARY

I eat chicken breast about 3 times a day. Each time I have one bulging teaspoon of psyllium husk. On top of the 3 times chicken breast, I will have one meal that is maybe beef or eggs or something with more fat. i should be around 1500-1800 kcal daily which should put me at 500 kcal deficit daily for the last two weeks. Maybe this crazy amount of protein have somehow helped me build some muscles??

PLANS FORWARD

Keep on 3mg for next 4 weeks.

SIDE NOTE

I just got my second order from China a few days ago. So, i am now also running tesa + ipa (1mg + 0.5mg) protocol every night! I plan to do 5 nights a week and 2 days off and I plan to do this the next 4 weeks as well!

 

[longestyards]

WEEK 6 UPDATE

WEIGHT

Last week: 91.4kg / 201.5 lbs

Now: 91.4kg / 201.5 lbs

Difference: +0.0kg / +0.0 lbs

I have not changed in weight. This is so weird... Because I have clearly been on a 500-1000kcal deficit daily. Like I said before, it can only mean i am gaining some muscles as well. I suspect I am gaining muscles simply because I am eating so much protein (140+ g daily).

PROTOCOL

4.0 mg reta Friday afternoon (8 pm ish today)

So, I have upped to 4.0 mg now. Last week i did 3.0 mg and I have felt the best hunger suppression since i started 6 weeks ago. I honestly could have stayed on 3.0 mg and lose probably 1 lbs a week going forward. So, I am confident that 4.0 mg will be amazing for my weightloss.

DIARY

I have introduced white rice into my meals now. I am still eating a lot of chicken breasts, but now for some meals I have some white rice with it. I am calorie counting daily and I never exceed 1500 kcal. My daily maintenance calories is around 2200-2500 depending on how much i walk.

PLANS FORWARD

Keep on 4mg for next 4 weeks. I have decided to start doing cardio to lose the weight even faster. So, if my plans are good, next week i should probably have lost like 2kg/5lbs ish. My plan is to do 60 min low intensity jogging daily. In the morning probably. I got a whoop band so i can monitor my heartbeat and stay in the fatburning zone.

SIDE NOTE

I have been doing tesa + ipa as well this week. I did 5 days on, then 2 days off, then now i am on my 5 days on (but currently one the 3rd day of the 5 days on). Maybe this is what have made me gain muscles as well?

 

[laansasa]

WEEK 6 UPDATE

WEIGHT

Last week: 91.4kg / 201.5 lbs

Now: 91.4kg / 201.5 lbs

Difference: +0.0kg / +0.0 lbs

I have not changed in weight. This is so weird... Because I have clearly been on a 500-1000kcal deficit daily. Like I said before, it can only mean i am gaining some muscles as well. I suspect I am gaining muscles simply because I am eating so much protein (140+ g daily).

PROTOCOL

4.0 mg reta Friday afternoon (8 pm ish today)

So, I have upped to 4.0 mg now. Last week i did 3.0 mg and I have felt the best hunger suppression since i started 6 weeks ago. I honestly could have stayed on 3.0 mg and lose probably 1 lbs a week going forward. So, I am confident that 4.0 mg will be amazing for my weightloss.

DIARY

I have introduced white rice into my meals now. I am still eating a lot of chicken breasts, but now for some meals I have some white rice with it. I am calorie counting daily and I never exceed 1500 kcal. My daily maintenance calories is around 2200-2500 depending on how much i walk.

PLANS FORWARD

Keep on 4mg for next 4 weeks. I have decided to start doing cardio to lose the weight even faster. So, if my plans are good, next week i should probably have lost like 2kg/5lbs ish. My plan is to do 60 min low intensity jogging daily. In the morning probably. I got a whoop band so i can monitor my heartbeat and stay in the fatburning zone.

SIDE NOTE

I have been doing tesa + ipa as well this week. I did 5 days on, then 2 days off, then now i am on my 5 days on (but currently one the 3rd day of the 5 days on). Maybe this is what have made me gain muscles as well?

4mg reta an nothing? Yikes!

 

[modoodom]

Good luck! I’m still pretty new myself and currently on week 4 of reta — definitely been impressed so far with the appetite control and reduced food noise.

Looking forward to following your updates and seeing how your progress goes week to week. I’m trying to keep my own stack pretty minimal right now so I can really understand what effects are coming specifically from reta before adding too much else in.

Excited to see how it works for you!

 

[longestyards]

4mg reta an nothing? Yikes!

No it was on 3mg reta! I felt great hunger suppression actually. It’s just that weight that didn’t budge. But like I wrote, I think it’s because I’m gaining muscles too.

Good luck! I’m still pretty new myself and currently on week 4 of reta — definitely been impressed so far with the appetite control and reduced food noise.

Looking forward to following your updates and seeing how your progress goes week to week. I’m trying to keep my own stack pretty minimal right now so I can really understand what effects are coming specifically from reta before adding too much else in.

Excited to see how it works for you!

That is a great way to go about it IMO. I started reta at 0.5mg and tried 1mg then 2 mg then 3mg before I added tesa + ipa. I did actually get the hunger suppression from all those doses! So, I think it’s fully possible to probably be on maintenance on 1-2mg reta and not gain weight bit probably lose 1lbs a month even.

And they were totally right about tesa + ipa giving you vivid dreams while sleeping. But I love it so much. It’s like living another life when you sleep!

 

[modoodom]

No it was on 3mg reta! I felt great hunger suppression actually. It’s just that weight that didn’t budge. But like I wrote, I think it’s because I’m gaining muscles too.

That is a great way to go about it IMO. I started reta at 0.5mg and tried 1mg then 2 mg then 3mg before I added tesa + ipa. I did actually get the hunger suppression from all those doses! So, I think it’s fully possible to probably be on maintenance on 1-2mg reta and not gain weight bit probably lose 1lbs a month even.

And they were totally right about tesa + ipa giving you vivid dreams while sleeping. But I love it so much. It’s like living another life when you sleep!

It's been great so far! No sides (Knock on wood!)

How are you liking Tesa and IPA so far? I’ve been curious about it because I’m looking to eventually add something more focused on recovery and overall HGH support at night.

DSIP has been working okay for me so far, but I’m still trying to dial in the dose and figure out what works best. I’ve seen a lot of people mention tesa for HGH/IGF-1 support, recovery, and body composition, so it’s definitely caught my interest.

I’ve also seen quite a few people say the CJC-1295 no DAC + IPA combo seems to be one of the better options people use specifically for sleep and nighttime recovery, so I’m trying to learn more before adding anything else.

Have you noticed the biggest benefits in recovery, sleep, physique changes, or something else?

 

[longestyards]

It's been great so far! No sides (Knock on wood!)

How are you liking Tesa and IPA so far? I’ve been curious about it because I’m looking to eventually add something more focused on recovery and overall HGH support at night.

DSIP has been working okay for me so far, but I’m still trying to dial in the dose and figure out what works best. I’ve seen a lot of people mention tesa for HGH/IGF-1 support, recovery, and body composition, so it’s definitely caught my interest.

I’ve also seen quite a few people say the CJC-1295 no DAC + IPA combo seems to be one of the better options people use specifically for sleep and nighttime recovery, so I’m trying to learn more before adding anything else.

Have you noticed the biggest benefits in recovery, sleep, physique changes, or something else?

I’m on the second week of tesa + ipa so can’t say anything yet about it except that I’m enjoying the vivid dreams. I am using it mainly to get the fat burning of the stomach area. I haven’t researched the other effects like recovery like you mentioned.

Never heard about dsip. I’m quite new to peptides.

I did mildly watch some videos about cjc + ipa they said it’s basically same as tesa but cheaper. But since tesa is kinda cheap from the Chinese vendors already (imo) I thought let’s go for tesa because the buzz around it is bigger. So I intend to see how tesa works then maybe next year when I am more experienced about peptides I can try cjc to see which is better. But I think like most people say, they are marginally the same thing.

When it comes to recovery, I cannot say anything either! The main reason is because the way I train is loooong rests and low reps so I don’t actually need recovery. I don’t train for hypertrophy. I train only to keep myself “fit”.

What’s your goal with the peptides? You seem focused on recovery so I’m guessing you’re goal is more lifting based?

 

[modoodom]

我服用 Tesa + IPA 已经两周了，所以除了很享受它带来的生动梦境之外，目前还没什么可说的。我主要用它来燃烧腹部脂肪。我还没研究过其他效果，比如你提到的恢复期。之前

也没听说过 DSIP。我对肽类药物还不太了解。

我之前看过一些关于 CJC + IPA 的视频，他们说它和 Tesa 基本一样，只是更便宜。但因为 Tesa 从中国供应商那里买已经很便宜了（我觉得），所以我想还是选 Tesa 吧，毕竟它的口碑更好。我打算先看看 Tesa 的效果，等明年我对肽类药物更了解一些之后，再试试 CJC，看看哪个更好。但我觉得就像大多数人说的那样，它们其实差不多。

至于恢复期，我也没什么可说的！主要是因为我的训练方式是长休息低次数，所以其实不需要恢复期。我的训练目标也不是为了增肌。我训练只是为了保持“健康”。

你服用肽的目的是什么？你似乎更注重恢复，所以我猜你的目标更偏向于力量训练？

说实话，这很有道理。梦境生动这件事大概是我听服用 Tesa + IPA 的人反复提到的一个主题。

而且，就我目前读到的所有资料来看，Tesa 和 CJC+IPA 的比较似乎是一个永无休止的争论，双方都坚称自己的方案更好。不过，我确实看到更多人称赞 Tesa 在减少内脏脂肪/改善体脂率方面的作用，这也是我一直对它感兴趣的原因。

我的目标其实比较复杂——当然包括改善体脂率，但也包括恢复、睡眠质量、炎症以及整体的长期健康和运动表现。我今年 38 岁了，仍然坚持高强度训练和保持活跃，所以我想在不一次性添加 15 种化合物的情况下优化恢复，

毕竟我对每种化合物的实际作用一无所知。顺便一提，DSIP 是 Delta Sleep Inducing Peptide（δ睡眠诱导肽）的缩写。它主要用于改善睡眠质量/深度睡眠。奇怪的是，到目前为止，低剂量似乎比高剂量对我更有效。