Chronic Pain

[MsGizmo]

This crossed my mind.. but was worried about possible reactions.

While yes, KLOW can give you an injection site reaction .. its not all that bad. I will GLADLY trade a tiny sore spot on my skin every now and again for the amount of pain reduction I get from it. I mean before I discovered KLOW I let them inject cortisone directly into my knee cap trying to get relief from the pain. KLOW has done a MUCH better job and I just inject that into my belly fat. Its cheaper too. That one cortisone shot cost me $250 and I had reduced pain for about 3 months. I bought my kit of KLOW for less than $500 and I have been using it for nearly a year and still have 4 unused vials of it.

 

[Crumplestiltskin]

I second the recommendation to look into medical tourism. Safely sourced stem cell treatments can be life-changing for things like bulging/ruptured discs. Mexico tends to be much more reasonably priced and maybe more accessible for you than Bangkok.

Any good clinic will run or recommend a battery of tests to make sure there's no cancer or adverse conditions that could proliferate with stem cells.

Those locations also have access to less expensive PRP treatments, which are a great companion for stem cell treatments.

 

[Smiter]

I second the recommendation to look into medical tourism. Safely sourced stem cell treatments can be life-changing for things like bulging/ruptured discs. Mexico tends to be much more reasonably priced and maybe more accessible for you than Bangkok.

Any good clinic will run or recommend a battery of tests to make sure there's no cancer or adverse conditions that could proliferate with stem cells.

Those locations also have access to less expensive PRP treatments, which are a great companion for stem cell treatments.

Yeah I had a PRP +stem cell treatment in India

 

[Elocin]

And thats the problem with public healthcare like Canada and the NHS in the UK. You dont own your own body. I would look into medical tourism very seriously.

I second the recommendation to look into medical tourism. Safely sourced stem cell treatments can be life-changing for things like bulging/ruptured discs. Mexico tends to be much more reasonably priced and maybe more accessible for you than Bangkok.

Any good clinic will run or recommend a battery of tests to make sure there's no cancer or adverse conditions that could proliferate with stem cells.

Those locations also have access to less expensive PRP treatments, which are a great companion for stem cell treatments.

This is something I didn’t know about. I mean, I’ve heard of people going to Mexico or Turkey, as an example, for cosmetic surgeries. Didn’t even think about anything else outside of that.

You both gave me something to think about.

 

[Smiter]

This is something I didn’t know about. I mean, I’ve heard of people going to Mexico or Turkey, as an example, for cosmetic surgeries. Didn’t even think about anything else outside of that.

You both gave me something to think about.

You're welcome. I do accept Visa and Paypal.. Oh yeah, fix the herniated discs, then look for PRP+stem cell. I did mine in Regencare hospital, Cochin, India.

 

[Elocin]

Thank you again

 

[gusterbuster]

Some possibilities, but not one magic bullet.

Tirzepatide is pretty well know for anti inflammatory properties and many find relief chronic pain.

KLOW supports healing, collagen, etc

HGH, likely 2 IU daily. After 6ish werks get igf1 and z score tested. Aim for z score of 2.

20grams daily if good collagen supplement. Research had been meh for skin quality, but pretty solid for joints around the 12-20 week mark.

Now the most Grey area, Anavar. Mild oral steroid. Im assuming you're female based on avatar. Can only run so much for so long before worrying about virilization. But promising for MS and healing in general.

I think a combo of the above with good physical therapy could do wonders. Problem is hard to find a good physical therapist that isn't 2 decades behind.

 

[Crumplestiltskin]

This is something I didn’t know about. I mean, I’ve heard of people going to Mexico or Turkey, as an example, for cosmetic surgeries. Didn’t even think about anything else outside of that.

You both gave me something to think about.

I hope you find something that works for you! I may be biased in my experience, but I've found even more basic medical care (checkups, etc) have had much higher quality doctors and facilities in Mexico.

A LOT of places now do video consultations, which can be extremely helpful in determining if you should/can seek medical care there.

Some other medical tourism considerations:

Dental work (especially big-ticket items like implants)

Surgeries; even with insurance, the premiums could be way higher than what is quoted. (And as I mentioned, you'll likely get a far more luxurious experience outside of your home country).

Radiology; out of pocket MRIs in Mexico tend to around $100, Xrays can be $30 ish, etc...

Other regenerative support like nutritional IVs

Prescriptions can be much cheaper; most do require a doctors note, but it can be fairly easy to meet with a doctor.

 

[lessthanhalf]

While stem cell therapies have a lot of interesting and promising research, they are not approved as therapies, or proven to be safe in humans at this time. ( except I think one for heart attacks in japan ) The obvious risk is of malignancies developing in the long term.

 

[Elocin]

Some possibilities, but not one magic bullet.

Tirzepatide is pretty well know for anti inflammatory properties and many find relief chronic pain.

KLOW supports healing, collagen, etc

HGH, likely 2 IU daily. After 6ish werks get igf1 and z score tested. Aim for z score of 2.

20grams daily if good collagen supplement. Research had been meh for skin quality, but pretty solid for joints around the 12-20 week mark.

Now the most Grey area, Anavar. Mild oral steroid. Im assuming you're female based on avatar. Can only run so much for so long before worrying about virilization. But promising for MS and healing in general.

I think a combo of the above with good physical therapy could do wonders. Problem is hard to find a good physical therapist that isn't 2 decades behind.

Thank you so much!!

 

[Crumplestiltskin]

While stem cell therapies have a lot of interesting and promising research, they are not approved as therapies, or proven to be safe in humans at this time. ( except I think one for heart attacks in japan ) The obvious risk is of malignancies developing in the long term.

There's a lot of ongoing research in orthopedics, neurodegenerative diseases, spinal cord injuries, other chronic conditions, etc...that are showing promising results. As with pretty much any kind of medicine, we don't know all the long term effects, but stem cell therapy has been a great tool with many applications.

 

[RubbaDubba1]

From researching, I know that BPC-157, TB-500 and KPV are all peptides that can help with pain. I’m just not sure which one I should try first, as a newbie. Since I have a few different issues going on.

I suffer with Chronic pain. I have a few disc bulges and small tears in my c-spine, and have been undergoing testing for suspected MS. On top of all that, I was hit by a vehicle this past January, as a pedestrian. which, obviously, aggravated my neck issues and new back pain.

If I didn’t have bad luck, I would have no luck at all. lol. But any experiences or recommendations would be greatly appreciated!!

Sorry to hear about your issues, I've had 13 operations (with more to go) and I deal with alot pain as well on a daily basis. I get some relief from peptides, it does help me recovering from surgery and during rehab a good amount. They are certainly worth trying, you can take a lot of them at once (KLOW) and wouldn't blame you for that. When you're in pain, you look for other solutions and I get it. BPC-157 would be the about the best start, I'm a slow responder and it takes 6 weeks for BPC to work for me. Try them one at time you can figure out what works and what doesn't. They don't work for all people and doing one at time and then adding some in later you can track them better that way and probably cheaper in the long run.

On another note, I've read up on PRP, stem cells to some degree and might be doing PRP for Trigger Points, here in the near future. I personally think that for the right person there can be some relief for some things to try, like where I'm at. I see you're from up North, I'm going to link a video of a guy in Arizona who's from Canada and has a Alternative medicine clinic here. Not that you need to go see him, but his videos are great and he really breaks down the nuances about this stuff and I feel I can understand what he's talking about. He also works with peptides to a degree and has videos on that. Listen to his back story, I think you'll enjoy listening to him. If I had more money, I would honestly go see him for what I want done. Good luck, I feel your pain

View: https://youtu.be/_-nHsKgsUYM

 

[Elocin]

Sorry to hear about your issues, I've had 13 operations (with more to go) and I deal with alot pain as well on a daily basis. I get some relief from peptides, it does help me recovering from surgery and during rehab a good amount. They are certainly worth trying, you can take a lot of them at once (KLOW) and wouldn't blame you for that. When you're in pain, you look for other solutions and I get it. BPC-157 would be the about the best start, I'm a slow responder and it takes 6 weeks for BPC to work for me. Try them one at time you can figure out what works and what doesn't. They don't work for all people and doing one at time and then adding some in later you can track them better that way and probably cheaper in the long run.

On another note, I've read up on PRP, stem cells to some degree and might be doing PRP for Trigger Points, here in the near future. I personally think that for the right person there can be some relief for some things to try, like where I'm at. I see you're from up North, I'm going to link a video of a guy in Arizona who's from Canada and has a Alternative medicine clinic here. Not that you need to go see him, but his videos are great and he really breaks down the nuances about this stuff and I feel I can understand what he's talking about. He also works with peptides to a degree and has videos on that. Listen to his back story, I think you'll enjoy listening to him. If I had more money, I would honestly go see him for what I want done. Good luck, I feel your pain

View: https://youtu.be/_-nHsKgsUYM

Thank you SO much for this. The video was great. His story is really similar to mine. I am going to go watch a few more, and look into PRP.

While I am not happy that you can relate to being in pain, it is nice knowing I’m not alone and there are other people struggling/looking for relief like me.

 

[Smiter]

Thank you SO much for this. The video was great. His story is really similar to mine. I am going to go watch a few more, and look into PRP.

While I am not happy that you can relate to being in pain, it is nice knowing I’m not alone and there are other people struggling/looking for relief like me.

Don't do pRp without stem cell therapy, as it would be a waste of an opportunity.

 

[Rolltide61]

I wouldn't recommend for a first timer. Its possible you could have a reaction or side affects to one

Given her record I'd bet $100 she will have a reaction.

I wish her the best though.

 

[Elocin]

Given her record I'd bet $100 she will have a reaction.

I wish her the best though.

Lmao

You’re probably right.

 

[laansasa]

KPV, KPV and did I mention: KPV?

. It has helped me tremendously with inflammation and hip pain.

 

[Vriende]

Oh yeah, fix the herniated discs ...

Don't rush to fix herniated discs; don't rush to spinal surgery.

Many herniated discs heal and resolve over time.

Also many people show bulged discs on MRI's. That does not automatically mean they need treatment.

 

[Smiter]

Don't rush to fix herniated discs; don't rush to spinal surgery.

Many herniated discs heal and resolve over time.

Also many people show bulged discs on MRI's. That does not automatically mean they need treatment.

of course, one shouldn't rush to it. Only repair if circumstances mandate it, where either time or all other measures have failed. Also, it's true bulged discs dont always mean treatment needed, for a normal, strength-free life. But, sometimes, even healed discs can leave spots of weaknesses.

 

[Elocin]

Don't rush to fix herniated discs; don't rush to spinal surgery.

Many herniated discs heal and resolve over time.

Also many people show bulged discs on MRI's. That does not automatically mean they need treatment.

Absolutely. Surgery is honestly the last thing I want to do. Right now, my treatment plan is working with a physiotherapist and chiropractor 2x per week. Unfortunately, it hasn’t been very effective thus far.

In my case, the pain got 1000x worse after my accident. I have a pretty high pain tolerance, but it will have me laid up for days with a flare. So something has definitely changed since my last imaging.