Beating the Dead Horse

[Wallydog]

6 eggs to start day

Do you have chickens? That's like 3.5 dozen per week. Hmm - I guess I could fit that in the fridge. No chickens.

 

[BNLFL]

I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one with no hunger on Reta. The craving sweets at night is still there but instead of ice cream I get a piece of fruit (apple or pear) or a few hard candies (found some German fruit flavored ones that are tiny- like smaller than half a dime across).

As far as the OP’s situation, I went through something similar, but I stalled after losing around 80 lbs. I stayed stalled for a good while but finally started losing again. Currently I’m stacking Reta 4mg and Tirz 4 mg and I’m a few pounds from my first goal (I’m thinking of setting a new goal- honestly didn’t think I’d reach the first one!).

80lbs is awesome. What kind of time frame if you don't mind mentioning, if not, no biggie. I'm honestly not hungry at night at all.

 

[Peptidesearch]

Do you want a chuckle. I went to my GP two weeks ago for a follow up on my blood work tests. Everything was spot on, except my sodium was just a needle on the low side. I said OK, what do I do, he said use a little salt, but not to much to raise my BP.

That's the fast easy solution, they tell patients with hypotension to up their sodium intake so they don't pass out on floor and crack their heads.

 

[FlowerFairy]

80lbs is awesome. What kind of time frame if you don't mind mentioning, if not, no biggie. I'm honestly not hungry at night at all.

I’m a slow responder, so it’s been over a year.. I’m not sure but I’m thinking it was over about 18 months.

 

[BNLFL]

I’m a slow responder, so it’s been over a year.. I’m not sure but I’m thinking it was over about 18 months.

That time frame doesn't matter, it's still great.

 

[FlowerFairy]

That time frame doesn't matter, it's still great.

I’m not complaining- I’m now 100 lbs down, 20 lbs from my first goal. Thinking I might need to set a lower goal.. which is a real mind- blowing thought..

 

[Main75]

I have no food noise, which I find odd. It would get to be around 7Pm and I was searching for something sweet and always fell back on the ice cream in the freezer. In fact, still 2 half gallons of Blue Bunny in there. Don't even mention Halloween with all the candy in the house. My wife would hide it, I'd find it.

I have no food noise, which I find odd. It would get to be around 7Pm and I was searching for something sweet and always fell back on the ice cream in the freezer. In fact, still 2 half gallons of Blue Bunny in there. Don't even mention Halloween with all the candy in the house. My wife would hide it, I'd find it.

I’ve paid a couple times by sugar nights and Reta definitely makes me feel like crap afterwards.

Overall been eating pretty clean, but food noise is there more now then when I started ..

 

[Main75]

Having been that size, 2600cal I could agree with. Without quantifying calories in and out, it’s all relatively asinine to speculate.

It’s not just that simple, but it’s also not rocket science with ineffable variables.

DEXA scans are good for quantifying composition baseline and changes.

I’ve never done a a dexa scan but definitely am somewhere between 1800-2200 calories a day

 

[Main75]

I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one with no hunger on Reta. The craving sweets at night is still there but instead of ice cream I get a piece of fruit (apple or pear) or a few hard candies (found some German fruit flavored ones that are tiny- like smaller than half a dime across).

As far as the OP’s situation, I went through something similar, but I stalled after losing around 80 lbs. I stayed stalled for a good while but finally started losing again. Currently I’m stacking Reta 4mg and Tirz 4 mg and I’m a few pounds from my first goal (I’m thinking of setting a new goal- honestly didn’t think I’d reach the first one!).

Like to hear more about why stacking Triz with Reta makes the difference doesn’t Reta have similar mechanism already?

 

[david19]

If you stall or flatline, there are really only two options, in my opinion...

Up the cardio or eat less calories.

How intense is cardio for you?

Could add in MOTS-C or run some old school fat loss stacks before cardio to make it a lil more intense.

But that depends on how you handle stimulants...

TESA will add water weight, so maybe once you cycle off TESA, you may become flatter, but the scale may move a little once cycling off.

 

[Main75]

What are your testosterone, thyroid, fasting insulin and A1C levels like? If you have low E2 your Test. level should technically be low as well, due to aromatization increasing with increased body fat.

Have you checked your LDL and Lp(a) yet? I would stay away from adding things like Tesa/IP until you figure this out, adding more variables only makes things more complex.

Switching Reta vendors is suspect as well, how do you plan to resolve this? Beef jerky is full of sodium which will cause water retention. How many steps are you getting in a day?

I feel you might be underestimating your calorie intake. Maybe try running another calorie counter to compare to current one to see if there's a discrepancy?

3 tests for test …3 months ago 503 then retested recent at 382 and retested two days later at 550 (all morning fasted

Thyroid. All came back normal

T3 3pg/ml. T4 .9 Tsh3. .9

Fasted insulin normal

5.3

A1c normal

5.2

LDL was the only one a little high

149

Total 207

Tri 94

Hdl 41

Vldc 19

Cholesterol/hdl ratio 5

How to sort this out regarding Reta? Well my girl started taking it and works just fine…. I am also taking the advise of stopping Tessa and ipa for a month to get a baseline igf-1

My weird tests

Estradiol low less then 15

Cortisol low (early morning). 7.4

B12 on low side 215

Dhea low 137

Had not had blood work done is years but I thought it a good idea since focused on recomp ….plenty of muscle …when training doubles I was 265 solid not chubby and zero “enhancements used “

 

[80s.diver]

I’ve never done a a dexa scan but definitely am somewhere between 1800-2200 calories a day

How are you tracking those calories? So many people underestimate how many they consume. Ask me how I know.

 

[Peptidesearch]

3 tests for test …3 months ago 503 then retested recent at 382 and retested two days later at 550 (all morning fasted

Thyroid. All came back normal

T3 3pg/ml. T4 .9 Tsh3. .9

Fasted insulin normal

5.3

A1c normal

5.2

LDL was the only one a little high

149

Total 207

Tri 94

Hdl 41

Vldc 19

Cholesterol/hdl ratio 5

How to sort this out regarding Reta? Well my girl started taking it and works just fine…. I am also taking the advise of stopping Tessa and ipa for a month to get a baseline igf-1

My weird tests

Estradiol low less then 15

Cortisol low (early morning). 7.4

B12 on low side 215

Dhea low 137

Had not had blood work done is years but I thought it a good idea since focused on recomp ….plenty of muscle …when training doubles I was 265 solid not chubby and zero “enhancements used “

Interesting that you know E2 is beneficial in men, where most want it as low as possible to their detriment. My guess is that you have high SHBG and low free testosterone which would explain the low E2. Have you ever run those above labs?

LDL guidelines are now at 100 or lower unless other health issues.

I had a dexascan recently and found much more valuable than I realized.

 

[Main75]

How are you tracking those calories? So many people underestimate how many they consume. Ask me how I know.

Breakfast , coffee and lunch protein shake are the same everyday

5 eggs little cheese 400cal , two coffee coconut powder 180 cal, protein shake 240 cal

Then dinner

 

[Main75]

Interesting that you know E2 is beneficial in men, where most want it as low as possible to their detriment. My guess is that you have high SHBG and low free testosterone which would explain the low E2. Have you ever run those above labs?

LDL guidelines are now at 100 or lower unless other health issues.

I had a dexascan recently and found much more valuable than I realized.

Free test was 80

Shbg. 49

 

[yrrdead]

You say that your calories remain the same well that seems to answer your question. Your TDEE/Maintenance whatever you want to call it is going down with your weight. So if you keep your calories the same then you are now at your new normal.

I've pretty much done exactly this. I've kept caloric intake pretty much the same (allowing for slop) in the 1300-1600 range for the past 5 months. Titrated up (pretty conservatively) but over the past month weight loss has pretty much stopped. I have started creatine and cjc/ipa, both of which can increase water retention. That has pretty much leveled as well.

So at this point I'm taking more Reta , eating the same, working out more and losing zero weight. Which again I'm okay with since I'm trying to shift to maintenance anyway. Just to show that what you seem to be experiencing seems normal, at least to my brain.

 

[Main75]

You say that your calories remain the same well that seems to answer your question. Your TDEE/Maintenance whatever you want to call it is going down with your weight. So if you keep your calories the same then you are now at your new normal.

I've pretty much done exactly this. I've kept caloric intake pretty much the same (allowing for slop) in the 1300-1600 range for the past 5 months. Titrated up (pretty conservatively) but over the past month weight loss has pretty much stopped. I have started creatine and cjc/ipa, both of which can increase water retention. That has pretty much leveled as well.

So at this point I'm taking more Reta , eating the same, working out more and losing zero weight. Which again I'm okay with since I'm trying to shift to maintenance anyway. Just to show that what you seem to be experiencing seems normal, at least to my brain.

I get the calorie lowering as weight lowers …but I really should still be in deficit…..and more then that it did not slow ….it stopped like an e brake…just strange to me ..

So I think I am going to take some advice and stop Tessa and ipa for a month then test igf-1 and ad in some more extreme calorie deficit …. Maybe a fast to shake things up

Reta stack with what for food noise? Hearing several Triz cargi or ? Time to shake something up

 

[yrrdead]

I get the calorie lowering as weight lowers …but I really should still be in deficit…..and more then that it did not slow ….it stopped like an e brake…just strange to me ..

So I think I am going to take some advice and stop Tessa and ipa for a month then test igf-1 and ad in some more extreme calorie deficit …. Maybe a fast to shake things up

Reta stack with what for food noise? Hearing several Triz cargi or ? Time to shake something up

Yeah mine hard stopped as well I even gained 5 lbs in like 4 days. Calories didn't change, workouts went up, reta went up (a tiny bit) , but I started creatine and cjc/ipa. I'd never noticed myself hold water like that but even in my better times I was 30lbs heavier than I am now and I was never tracking weight or calories so I most likely never noticed.

I'm not saying that is what is happening with you , only that I've had a similar experience in regards to my Reta journey so far. Especially considering we both started at about the same time (Oct). Went from 220 > 171 (lowest) then got up to 177 (currently 173). The weight loss stopped the instant I started increasing workouts/creatine. I also haven't switched to a new kit yet, still on my original from Oct.

I'm real interested in how your body responds once you stop the ghrp stuff.

 

[Sasquatch]

I wish I could find back the quote - it was something like, 1lb., is a higher percentage of your new lighter weight. This made me understand why the lighter I get, the slower I loose. Secondly, I sorta gave up. I decided to not give a shit. Not weigh. Not care. One day I felt sort of gant, so I stepped on the scale. I'd lost 4lbs.!

It's tuff. We're with you.

 

[Main75]

Yeah mine hard stopped as well I even gained 5 lbs in like 4 days. Calories didn't change, workouts went up, reta went up (a tiny bit) , but I started creatine and cjc/ipa. I'd never noticed myself hold water like that but even in my better times I was 30lbs heavier than I am now and I was never tracking weight or calories so I most likely never noticed.

I'm not saying that is what is happening with you , only that I've had a similar experience in regards to my Reta journey so far. Especially considering we both started at about the same time (Oct). Went from 220 > 171 (lowest) then got up to 177 (currently 173). The weight loss stopped the instant I started increasing workouts/creatine. I also haven't switched to a new kit yet, still on my original from Oct.

I'm real interested in how your body responds once you stop the ghrp stuff.

Not to wish no progress on someone else but indices hearing someone else had a similar experience … it seems .. really don’t think the calories are the core of the road block (could always be wrong) ..but just below or just above 2k should still provide some loss even if it slowed for two months and it really just stopped

Feb 17 was last Tessa /ipa and I’ll check mid march after a month as suggested for igf-1 and maybe a couple of the funky numbers I had too … just to see if my puritan lifestyle has changed anything.

It’s like the metabolism furnace simply shut off completely