Bac water vs bac saline

[Sandman1972]

Can I use Bacteriostatic Saline if I can’t find the Bacteriostatic Water? Or will that mess up the formula for tirzepatide? Thanks

 

[keangkong]

I seem to remember someone posting that she uses BAC saline water. I doubt salt would harm tirzepatide; otherwise it would be destroyed when it enters the human body. I have never tried BAC saline water myself. I only tried three BAC waters:

1. Pfizer/Hospira BAC water. Works great.

2. Peptide Group Buys BAC water. Works great.

3. Some cheap reconstitution solution I purchased off of Amazon. I don't really remember what happened other than after I looked at the reconstituted vial, I refused to inject myself with it and threw away that vial.

 

[TooBigtoFail]

Welcome. Bac saline is fine. The Eli Lilly Tirz vials/pens they ship use Saline Bac water. I use Hospira Saline Bac water with my Tirz and other peptides. It is cheaper, is isotonic, and is compatible with many/most peptides.

 

[Sandman1972]

Welcome. Bac saline is fine. The Eli Lilly Tirz vials/pens they ship use Saline Bac water. I use Hospira Saline Bac water with my Tirz and other peptides. It is cheaper, is isotonic, and is compatible with many/most peptides.

Awesome!! Thanks

I can get the saline easily, the water is more difficult.

 

[Ericalanh82]

I’m used to keeping my BAC in the fridge with reconstituted peps in my Case but left it out when I was organizing my lyophilized peptides stay the freezer so i recon my Tirz straight out of the freezer cold so its always been cold bac water on cold pep and cold shot then back to the fridge, i wonder if I ruined water or if I needed to cool it down in an ice bath before I reconstituted or what so I started researching and got mixed suggestions … What do my fellow researchers do with BAC water before reconstitution??? I know the peptide goes in the refrigerator after reconstitution but what about before recon …example take tirz out of freezer let it hit room temp and water should be room temp or refrigerated… SHIT have i compromised my Tirz reconstituting cold on cold ??? and as far as the shot its cold to ???

 

[Sandman1972]

I’m used to keeping my BAC in the fridge with reconstituted peps in my Case but left it out when I was organizing my lyophilized peptides stay the freezer so i recon my Tirz straight out of the freezer cold so its always been cold bac water on cold pep and cold shot then back to the fridge, i wonder if I ruined water or if I needed to cool it down in an ice bath before I reconstituted or what so I started researching and got mixed suggestions … What do my fellow researchers do with BAC water before reconstitution??? I know the peptide goes in the refrigerator after reconstitution but what about before recon …example take tirz out of freezer let it hit room temp and water should be room temp or refrigerated… SHIT have i compromised my Tirz reconstituting cold on cold ??? and as far as the shot its cold to ???

Don’t sweat it. It doesn’t have to be cold on cold. The cold is just to reduce bacterial growth in the vial. The bac water should stay sterile for 28 days minimum after initial puncture assuming you use aseptic technique. For my job I reconstitute a lot of stuff, you are good- no worries

 

[pavlovs]

If you go up to the search button, then type the word "bac" and click "search titles only" you will get tons of information on bac water. Really spend time researching your questions so that you can make an informed choice.

Some people do reconstitute with saline, many don't. I don't. Lily may use saline, but their vials and pens are for one use only, are manufactured in sterile environments, and the pens are hermetically sealed. They are intended for one use only. Unless you are reconstituting one vial at a time, I recommend not using saline. However, why take my word for it, when you can research it for yourself and make your own educated and informed decision?

 

[3Ljeffy]

FWIW, over in the compounding pharmacy side of things, it was interesting to see that Olympia Pharmacy's very popular 75mg vials (offered by several GLP1 telehealth providers) have a reputation for being effective and having a very long shelf life -- consistent reports that it loses no efficacy 6mo or even 9mo past the BUD date. I would regard theirs as the gold standard in their segment, so... reading the vial label reveals no boring standard BAC water. The label reads: "2% Benzyl Alcohol NF, 0.57% Sodium Chloride USP, 0.07% Sodium Phosphate Dibasic Anhydrous, Sterile Water for Injection USP." Hospira Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride water is pretty close (label with green lettering and cap = 0.9%BA+0.9%SC, NOT the yellow-lettering sodium chloride (saline only) solution with no benzyl ), and has the side benefit of a lower pH (about pH 5) which is also conducive to peptide stability.

Good stuff, zero problems, eases worries, same price, works for me. YMMV.

 

[keangkong]

If you go up to the search button, then type the word "bac" and click "search titles only" you will get tons of information on bac water. Really spend time researching your questions so that you can make an informed choice.

Some people do reconstitute with saline, many don't. I don't. Lily may use saline, but their vials and pens are for one use only, are manufactured in sterile environments, and the pens are hermetically sealed. They are intended for one use only. Unless you are reconstituting one vial at a time, I recommend not using saline. However, why take my word for it, when you can research it for yourself and make your own educated and informed decision?

I think you misunderstood. OP asked about using bacteriostatic saline. I believe that's fine for tirz for not for some other peptides.

 

[WLBLD]

Anyone using the H brand saline for tirz still or reta? I read its more comfortable compared to the bac water for injecting

 

[skeptick]

I’m used to keeping my BAC in the fridge with reconstituted peps in my Case but left it out when I was organizing my lyophilized peptides stay the freezer so i recon my Tirz straight out of the freezer cold so its always been cold bac water on cold pep and cold shot then back to the fridge, i wonder if I ruined water or if I needed to cool it down in an ice bath before I reconstituted or what so I started researching and got mixed suggestions … What do my fellow researchers do with BAC water before reconstitution??? I know the peptide goes in the refrigerator after reconstitution but what about before recon …example take tirz out of freezer let it hit room temp and water should be room temp or refrigerated… SHIT have i compromised my Tirz reconstituting cold on cold ??? and as far as the shot its cold to ???

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[randompersonrandom]

Anyone using the H brand saline for tirz still or reta? I read its more comfortable compared to the bac water for injecting

I'm pretty sure if your bac water is "uncomfortable", then there are bigger problems. Certain peptides hurt, but bac water should not.

 

[WLBLD]

I'm pretty sure if your bac water is "uncomfortable", then there are bigger problems. Certain peptides hurt, but bac water should not.

Thank you! I haven't started yet & ordered both, so was making sure if that was an option to use also. I've been reading up on all the details & am a baby about injections so anything to make it less uncomfortable, lol

 

[randompersonrandom]

Thank you! I haven't started yet & ordered both, so was making sure if that was an option to use also. I've been reading up on all the details & am a baby about injections so anything to make it less uncomfortable, lol

That's completely fair and understandable. As long as you're using actual bac water and not some swamp water made by God knows who, I can pretty confidently say that your bac water won't be reason why a pin hurts. And if you're starting on a glp and not KLOW or MOTS-C or something, your response on your first shot will almost certainly be "Oh! Is that all?" even if you're just using an insulin needle.

You can also do a trick like lightly stepping on your own toe when you do it, not hard, just enough to hurt a tiny bit, and paying very close attention to whether or not your toe hurts. That keeps you from paying WAY too much attention to whether your injection hurts and maybe psyching yourself into IMAGINING it to be painful.

 

[WLBLD]

That's completely fair and understandable. As long as you're using actual bac water and not some swamp water made by God knows who, I can pretty confidently say that your bac water won't be reason why a pin hurts. And if you're starting on a glp and not KLOW or MOTS-C or something, your response on your first shot will almost certainly be "Oh! Is that all?" even if you're just using an insulin needle.

You can also do a trick like lightly stepping on your own toe when you do it, not hard, just enough to hurt a tiny bit, and paying very close attention to whether or not your toe hurts. That keeps you from paying WAY too much attention to whether your injection hurts and maybe psyching yourself into IMAGINING it to be painful.

Oh I'm very very careful. Both I ordered are both H brand (they make both the bac water & Sodium chloride) from goodies. I will not use just any random thing. I ordered filters too so not taking any chances.

Description of the other says Sodium Chloride w Bac

Im just completely new so Im trying only the tirz to start with. I dont want to mix anything (at least to start). In the future I might look into others. I ordered the reta also but not starting that yet & will only if the tirz doesn't work. Decided on the tirz first because Ive read its been better for pain, inflammation, etc.

I also ordered lidocane liquid (plan to put on skin 15-30min before), ice the area & I had to have a punch biopsy at the dermatologist & they used a vibrating type device next to the area & that really helped block pain from the area being worked on

 

[randompersonrandom]

I also ordered lidocane liquid (plan to put on skin 15-30min before), ice the area & I had to have a punch biopsy at the dermatologist & they used a vibrating type device next to the area & that really helped block pain from the area being worked on

I sincerely promise that I am NOT laughing at your anxiety, but I am smiling and thinking about how in a few months, you'll have your own "I thought this was going to be a very big deal and bought stuff I didn't need and got ready for it to be a whole thing, and then it was not a thing at all" story to tell like the rest of us.

 

[WLBLD]

I sincerely promise that I am NOT laughing at your anxiety, but I am smiling and thinking about how in a few months, you'll have your own "I thought this was going to be a very big deal and bought stuff I didn't need and got ready for it to be a whole thing, and then it was not a thing at all" story to tell like the rest of us.

Im sure I will be laughing at myself. Needles are one of those things for me, very anxiety inducing!!

 

[ghreid]

I think you misunderstood. OP asked about using bacteriostatic saline. I believe that's fine for tirz for not for some other peptides.

You are correct most peptides are fine with Bsaline . Info on STG site and jano says its fine except for Reta.

 

[WLBLD]

You are correct most peptides are fine with Bsaline . Info on STG site and jano says its fine except for Reta.

So Tirzepatide is fine with the Hospira Bac Saline, while Reta is not? Do you know what the reason is?

 

[Chili777]

IMHO, Tirz is a more stable compound than Reta. For instance, Tirz can be frozen and thawed for use with little degradation, where Reta should not be because it will degrade. I think it's possible that the salt content in BAC saline may affect the stability and effectiveness of Reta, but not Tirz. Just a thought.