中国产Tirz的质量与礼来相比如何？

[Nmcoyote1]

我不知道他们的Tirz是否更好。但我们都知道，几乎所有药品的主要成分都是在中国生产的，并在这里进行测试、加工和包装。事实上，很多成品药都是在中国或其他类似国家生产的。有大量报道称，一些配制药房从中国采购GLP-1。正如制药商所说，他们并没有向这些配制药房提供药物或主要成分。我更喜欢通过包含检测的团购方式购买肽类药物。我已经这样做了好几年了。这样我才能更放心地使用我购买的肽类药物。在我参与的团购中，人们收到肽类药物后，会自愿将收到的样品小瓶寄给一个人，由这个人送去实验室进行检测。我们每个人都会预先支付一些额外的费用用于检测，并补偿那些寄送小瓶进行检测的人。这虽然需要更多时间，但却能让你对收到的产品更有信心。

 

[Retazempic]

我觉得我的意思就是这样，跳蚤市场——赚点零花钱。加密货币——要有名有姓，还要交税。低调行事。在人工智能时代，情况似乎有所不同。我正在努力接受这一点，完全不反对你的观点。

我同意。吉普车的莫莉并没有向美国国税局报告我的消费。但是 Coinbase（或者叫 Kraken？）要求我提供税务信息才能继续使用他们平台的部分或全部功能。

不过，我同意关于税务的主要观点——国税局不会浪费时间去追查微不足道的收入。

如果你被税务局审计，那很可能是因为你还有其他更贵重的消费需要注意。

 

[itoshii_hito_ 16971]

I do know know if their Tirz is better. But we all know that the main ingredients for almost all pharmaceuticals are made in China and are tested, processed and packaged here. For that matter a lot completed meds are made in China or other similar countries. It has been widely reported that compound pharmacies are getting GLP-1’s from China. As the drug makers have said they are not supplying them with the meds or main ingredients. I prefer to buy my peptides using group buys that include testing. And have done it this way for several years. So that I can feel more comfortable using the peptides I'm getting. From the group buys I've participated in. People receive their peptides then volunteer to send in vials from what they received to one person that will send it off to the lab. We all pay a few dollars more up front for the testing and to reimburse people the the Vial they give up for testing. This takes more time but gives another layer of trust in the product you received.

I feel like this what it really boils down to. Grey means you just gotta go the extra mile to make sure it's legit with independent testing but the caveat is your getting it cheaper. I rather that than pay some astronomical amount to big pharma all in the name of convenience.

 

[lessthanhalf]

So far out of 7 purchases from China , they all seem fine. luckily I get a weird side effect from tirzepatide of louder tinnitus so I can instantly tell it is the correct drug, and all the other seem to be doing what they are meant to.

On the other hand out of 3 different brands of PEA supplement I bought from amazon all 3 are dodgy, none of the pills weigh enough to have the listed dose of ingredients inside, though some are more obviously fraudulent than others - weighs 300 mg listed to have 1400mg

After doing a bit of research , as far as I can tell the vast majority of more recent fashionable supplements on amazon like Urolithin A , Melatonin, NMN or even fish oil are very questionable, based on pill size vs ingredients, packaging styling versus known dodgy brands, and price of the supplements versus the price of the ingredients in bulk from china, as well as a few published test reports like the ones from NOW. If the cheap ones are a quarter the price of the known good brands then they are almost certainly massively underdosed at best. And a few studies show deliberate contamination with active drugs in male supplements of viagra like compounds is very common, and of incorrect herbs as well.

It definitely feels weird that I can trust Chinese drug dealers to be more honest than one of America's largest companies

 

[mercutio]

It amazes me. EL is like $8/mg. Grey is like pennys/mg. Grey could put in fillers and buffers, and generally cheapen the stuff, but evidently they decided not. The dry puck is ruffly the same size in a T20 as is a T60? So one could be buying some fillers in lesser doses, but it ain't hurting anyone. It's nobody's business what the profit margin is, but evidently, by the time everyone gets their cut, they can make this stuff by the ton?

They are almost all fillers. You'd be barely able to see the active drug in each if there was no filler in there.

 

[thatkatmat]

So far out of 7 purchases from China , they all seem fine. luckily I get a weird side effect from tirzepatide of louder tinnitus so I can instantly tell it is the correct drug, and all the other seem to be doing what they are meant to.

I get the same side effect! (1st I've heard of someone else having it) my tinnitus gets way more annoying and higher pitched. I can attest that what I got from Lilly and what I'm currently getting are very similar if not exactly the same strength. The only difference is I paid $16.63 a mg from Lilly and my last buy cost me $0.50 a mg.

 

[Labcat]

So far out of 7 purchases from China , they all seem fine. luckily I get a weird side effect from tirzepatide of louder tinnitus so I can instantly tell it is the correct drug, and all the other seem to be doing what they are meant to.

On the other hand out of 3 different brands of PEA supplement I bought from amazon all 3 are dodgy, none of the pills weigh enough to have the listed dose of ingredients inside, though some are more obviously fraudulent than others - weighs 300 mg listed to have 1400mg

After doing a bit of research , as far as I can tell the vast majority of more recent fashionable supplements on amazon like Urolithin A , Melatonin, NMN or even fish oil are very questionable, based on pill size vs ingredients, packaging styling versus known dodgy brands, and price of the supplements versus the price of the ingredients in bulk from china, as well as a few published test reports like the ones from NOW. If the cheap ones are a quarter the price of the known good brands then they are almost certainly massively underdosed at best. And a few studies show deliberate contamination with active drugs in male supplements of viagra like compounds is very common, and of incorrect herbs as well.

It definitely feels weird that I can trust Chinese drug dealers to be more honest than one of America's largest companies

This is great stuff to think about, thank you so much for putting these organized thoughts here!

Grey has really opened my eyes to the realities of the details of our drug supply line. And the devil is always in the details. Plus yeah, it does seem that almost every business would cheat if they could get away with it, and now the ownership of brands has be one quite obscurable.

Where do you look for raw prices?

 

[lessthanhalf]

The raw prices I found were on Amazon and ebay. No doubt there are many on made in china or alibaba but more of a pain to buy that way and will often have large quantity requirements. There are 2 sellers on amazon akkersunder and healthyfinds , watch out for amazon autocorrect for healthyfinds. Quite a few of the same items that are available from chinese peptide sellers like bam15 slu-pp-332 , but a few supplement type ones like ergothionine, and a few interesting obscure ones like 7,8 dihydroxyflavone a bdnf mimic that binds to trkb receptors ( not tested in humans ). A lot of the supplement type chemicals like PEA or OEA or urolithin a or berberine, luteolin, fisetin etc and a wide range of herbal extracts are on ebay , and can be bought in a few gram quantities for the expensive ones to kilogram quantities for the cheaper ones. For example 98% urolithin a is about $200 usd for 100g. There is of course no way to know how genuine or pure these products are, sometimes there is a coa, but usually not. The fact that a lot of them have obvious physical or chemical characteristics in their pure form makes selling you flour or sugar instead a bit less likely and I would guess some buyers might have access to testing equipment, and there is no real business model for selling people crap in this context , unlike underdosed supplements on amazon that are making many millions. And in general I would trust the ebay feedback system more than paid for or otherwise reviews on amazon. I have only bought a few items but am thinking seriously that it is likely to be cheaper and have a higher probability of getting what I paid for buying things that way and making my own.

 

[Retazempic]

I’m not a doctor or scientist. But I personally cannot imagine injecting myself with a solution that has powder measured out by me, for a few reasons, the top 2 being:

A) if I get raw powder, I don’t know it’s purely what I paid for, which is related to …

B) what might be called a corollary to the hotspot problem, ie, the top half of my container of powder might be peptide, while the bottom half might by fentanyl

Like I wouldn’t even know how to test it in a way that makes me feel comfortable

 

[Labcat]

我既不是医生也不是科学家。但我个人无法想象给自己注射一种由我自己称量好的粉末溶液，原因有几个，其中最主要的两点是：

A）如果我拿到的是未经处理的粉末，我无法确定它是否完全符合我所付的价钱，这又与……

B）热点问题的一个推论有关，也就是说，我那罐粉末的上半部分可能是肽，而下半部分可能是芬太尼。

我甚至不知道该如何进行检测才能让我安心。

像GLP这样用定量粉末制成的溶液风险很大。我确信CN（认证营养师）会在冻干之前先对液体进行定量。即便如此，也存在我们从M+P（甲基苯丙醇）中看到的变异性。

在将任何东西口服或其他方式摄入体内之前，拥有一份可靠的COA（分析证书）至关重要。这个帖子最初源于我注意到美国市售的膳食补充剂似乎经常至少剂量不足。这引发了人们对其他领域诚信度的质疑。

我感觉我回复的那个人更多地是在讨论粉末状的补充剂，但如果我理解错了，或者其他人认为这是在讨论一般的肽原料，我也要补充一点：粉末定量是一项危险且技术性很强的工作，尤其是在你无法确定其真实成分（包括M+P、污染物、细菌和内源性毒素等）的情况下……这些都需要高度专业的粉末分散技术来防止过量服用。

 

[lessthanhalf]

当然，我指的是仅供口服的补充剂。注射任何细菌含量完全未知的东西听起来都不是个好主意。在家尝试用原料自制肽类产品，实际上根本不可能安全。