Grey Tirz 对我来说是免费的……

[Alikron13]

Each of us has a different threshold of anxiety to money output to overcome. For some there is just no way to afford the insane markups that "legit" products have if certain factors are not in your favor.

 

[lessthanhalf]

The price does not seem to have got any better here since I bought my one script of it for $690. And hoping I could get it to last at least 4 months. My calculation was 0.8mg semaglutide which was all I could tolerate should be about equivalent to 3-5mg of tirzepatide. And I spent days trying to work that out. Did not work out like that, way higher dose needed to control hunger, but no nausea on 15mg which I totally did not expect, after a year of feeling pukey on ozempic.

A year of that at 15mg/week is $8280, a year of Chinese pirated tirz was $350 last September and about $280 now. Sounds like Aussie retail prices might be dearer than US ones now.

I saw this study recently. It is in Denmark so prices are not going to translate exactly but on average people spent the equivalent of $1800 usd less per year on grocery shopping after starting GLP's making grey GLP's cheaper than free after accounting for paying less for shopping.

Consumer Food Purchases After Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 Receptor Agonist Initiation

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2844224

 

[MsGizmo]

In Australia the cost for Mounjaro is between $500 and $600 per month (AUD, so approx $334 to $400 in USD)

Meanwhile a 40mg kit delivered from China cost $280 delivered and lasts me more than a year

Splitting the difference if I did a full year on Mounjouro it's $6,600

That's a saving of $6,320.

I bought a year and a half supply of semaglutide and all the supplies I needed for $250.

18 months of retail wegovy would have cost me $9000.

Hmm ... $9000 or $250 ... decisions, decisions.

 

[Dydanz]

In Australia the cost for Mounjaro is between $500 and $600 per month (AUD, so approx $334 to $400 in USD)

Meanwhile a 40mg kit delivered from China cost $280 delivered and lasts me more than a year

Splitting the difference if I did a full year on Mounjouro it's $6,600

That's a saving of $6,320.

this is so true, i can relate cz same happened to me with ozempic

 

[Estarossa19]

Meanwhile I'm still paying $500/month because I haven't made the switch yet. Was too nervous, reasoned that spending money for the "legit" product was worth the peace of mind. Not for long.

Dang, at least go the compounded route if you're still a bit worried about going grey. $500 is nutty! I think some o the compunded pharmacies are at the $150ish dollar mark a month now.

 

[Gwynhwyfar]

I´m on the original brand TIRZ for almost 2 years now and it cost me now around 6900 $ a year... even with testing each batch, I only have to spend one month worth to supply me for 9 months It is so crazy. I will change to Reta now, because TIRZ doesn´t do much for me anymore.

 

[DoctaDave]

My wife and I both sat down and realized that we are saving hundreds a month just on groceries. So forget losing weight and being able to actually move and keep up with the kids, it was a sound financial decision lol

 

[Jerrey]

My wife and I both sat down and realized that we are saving hundreds a month just on groceries. So forget losing weight and being able to actually move and keep up with the kids, it was a sound financial decision lol

I came to the same conclusion. Factoring in groceries, snack/junk food, and the occasional door dash take out meal when I was to tired to cook I figure my doing grey triz is putting money back in my pocket.

 

[MsGizmo]

Meanwhile I'm still paying $500/month because I haven't made the switch yet. Was too nervous, reasoned that spending money for the "legit" product was worth the peace of mind. Not for long.

Just going to point out that there hasn't been some tragic mass of people dying from grey market GLP1s. Millions of people taking them .. but are people getting hurt? That's the main thing that convinced me.

Every case I have heard about someone with a GLP related injury 99% of the time they did something stupid. They either took too much or ignored the warning signs of a problem because they were desperate to lose weight. Honestly the same thing can happen with retail anyway. The real difference is if there is going to be someone to sue afterwards.

 

[lessthanhalf]

我目前找到的所有病例报告和研究都是由剂量错误引起的，要么是剂量计算错误，要么是过早过量用药，而且这类病例相当多。这是我目前找到的唯一一个并非由剂量错误引起的病例，但该病例导致患者入住重症监护室，显然危及生命。如果这是唯一一次发生此类事件，我会感到非常惊讶，但这种情况确实非常罕见。

假冒索玛鲁肽产品诱发低血糖昏迷：病例报告

我们报告了一例31岁女性患者，她在自行注射从网站购买的索玛鲁肽（Ozempic）后出现低血糖昏迷，被送入急诊室。毒理学分析显示，该药瓶中含有胰岛素而非索玛鲁肽，因此导致了严重的低血糖。DOI

：10.1136/ejhpharm-2025-004656

 

[FarmgirlRebel]

我最近获得了 Zepbound 的全额保险。说实话，我对此心情很复杂。

我喜欢自己调配灰色样品和复原小瓶……唉，我冰箱里存了好几年的Tirz，现在我打算按成本价卖给亲朋好友……但这让我有点担心。

所以我打算再补货，留着备用。货源经常会断，所以这是我的备用方案，我会坚持下去……冰箱里一直备着两三年的Tirz……也许还会备一些Reta。

 

[MsGizmo]

我目前找到的所有病例报告和研究都是由剂量错误引起的，要么是剂量计算错误，要么是过早过量用药，而且这类病例相当多。这是我目前找到的唯一一个并非由剂量错误引起的病例，但该病例导致患者入住重症监护室，显然危及生命。如果这是唯一一次发生此类事件，我会感到非常惊讶，但这种情况确实非常罕见。

假冒索玛鲁肽产品诱发低血糖昏迷：病例报告

我们报告了一例31岁女性患者，她在自行注射从网站购买的索玛鲁肽（Ozempic）后出现低血糖昏迷，被送入急诊室。毒理学分析显示，该药瓶中含有胰岛素而非索玛鲁肽，因此导致了严重的低血糖。DOI

：10.1136/ejhpharm-2025-004656

我很想了解事情的全貌。这听起来更像是蓄意谋杀未遂，而不是医疗事故。

我的意思是，仅仅因为一个人被误用了胰岛素而不是司美格鲁肽？

 

[theoretical_maximum]

Just going to point out that there hasn't been some tragic mass of people dying from grey market GLP1s. Millions of people taking them .. but are people getting hurt? That's the main thing that convinced me.

Every case I have heard about someone with a GLP related injury 99% of the time they did something stupid. They either took too much or ignored the warning signs of a problem because they were desperate to lose weight. Honestly the same thing can happen with retail anyway. The real difference is if there is going to be someone to sue afterwards.

Yeah, it was a combination of this (is the product real, is it contaminated or adulterated, etc etc) and also just...legal? concerns. I recognize that glps aren't scheduled substances, it's not like trying to import MDMA or PEDs, but yeah.

Side note: Do you all have this stuff shipped to your home address?

 

[DjJoshua]

But Lily would argue that it's much cheaper than it was at $1200 to $1500 per month! I loved it when my PCP sent me to get compounded products and said "EL can take the hit on this. What was their last quarterly earnings report?"

LLY can take a hit. I got 15 shares back at $248. to-date it's up 314%

 

[joseblo]

I recently got covered 100% for Zepbound. I honestly have mixed feelings about it

I like doing grey and reconning my own vials...oh well, I had a couple years of Tirz in the freezer and now I'm selling them off to friends and family at cost...but this makes me nervous.

So I'll restock up and just keep it on hand. People get dropped all the time, so that's my back up plan and I'm sticking to it...2-3yrs of Tirz in the freezer at all time...maybe some Reta as well.

Yep, I was on ZepB for almost a year and then "formulary change" and even with prior authorization they denied any coverage. I had been given a few months warning by a friend on the same insurance they were having trouble with approval so I started working with Brello before coverage ended, and then transitioned to grey. I'm not going back. They offered free Wegovy a couple of months ago. Don't trust the bastards!

 

[Speak_Easy]

今天我开始思考这一切的成本。我越想越觉得，我在格雷身上花的钱比我以前频繁去看医生，每次都花200美元要少得多。

想到我的健康状况发生了180度的大转变，而且花费比以前还少，真是令人惊叹。

是啊，这价格简直太划算了。我哥用的是Zepbound，一个月要花400多美元。算下来，每次2.5毫克的剂量大概要33美元。我买Tirz（自从我用了灰色药片之后）最贵的时候，每毫克才0.5美元，也就是每次2.5毫克1.25美元。我可能还能找到更便宜的，但我更喜欢从美国仓库买，因为我不想收到海关的信。不管怎样，灰色药片的价格真是太划算了。

 

[HereKittyKitty]

但莉莉会说，这比以前每月1200到1500美元的价格便宜多了！我的家庭医生让我去买复方制剂，还说“爱乐制药可以承担这部分损失。他们上个季度的财报是多少？”我当时真是太高兴了。

提醒他们一下，他们削减了成本，提高了售价。我敢肯定他们的利润依然非常丰厚。

 

[lessthanhalf]

我很想了解事情的全貌。这听起来更像是蓄意谋杀未遂，而不是医疗事故。

我的意思是，仅仅因为一个人被误用了胰岛素而不是司美格鲁肽？

我确实尝试查找过全文，而不仅仅是摘要，但如果存在的话，可能是意大利语的，我没能找到。

如果是批次标签错误，应该不止一例才对，如果真是这样，为什么只有一例呢？突然注射大量胰岛素导致不适并非罕见的个人反应。目前为止，这是我找到的唯一一篇表明，并非由于无知或剂量问题而造成伤害的论文。

 

[MsGizmo]

是的，原因有很多（产品是否正品，是否被污染或掺假等等），还有就是……合法性方面的顾虑。我知道GLPs不是管制药品，不像进口摇头丸或兴奋剂那样，但还是有点担心。

顺便问一下：你们都是把这些东西寄到家里的吗？

是的，所有东西都直接送到我家。我只从美国供应商那里进货，所以不需要经过海关。