Can Reconstituted Reta be Re-Aliqouted and Frozen

[AndyPanda]

I read a report about a year ago, but of course I can’t find it. There was a lot of focus on what happens to the BAC when it freezes because the PH is changed, in addition to damaging the peptides. There was also some information about how it can be safe to freeze under special conditions that I highly doubt any of us losers have.

 

[Incognitodoberman]

There was also some information about how it can be safe to freeze under special conditions that I highly doubt any of us losers have.

I ran across some of that too. Nope, not a level I'd even want to explore.

 

[50ShadesGreyMarket]

So I was looking at a vendor and their 60mg kits are way cheaper per mg than their 10mg kits. However, I only use about 2.0mg per week, so I would go way over the window to finish the reconstituted peptide, if I were to use that. I seem to be mixed answers from google, reddit, and chatgpt on if I can freeze the reconstituted peptide. My idea would be to dilute with 6ml bac, then portion out into 6 vials at 1ml each and freeze them at -20c in my regular home freezer. Would this destroy/destabilize the peptide? If not, guess I'll just have to pay the extra, but it's not that bad considering it's really not that expensive.

Maybe you can find a friend who is on GLP’s and see if they’d wanna split vials. I am on Sema & Reta, realized the 60’s are going to be way more than I need given I’m trying to avoid weight loss. I’m on .25 Sema, 2-3 Reta per week and seem to be a super responder as I have absolutely no appetite and have to force myself to eat. I know I have friends taking Ozempic, trying to decide how to bring it up in a convo without looking like a pusher.

How many weeks is the maximum recommended? I’ve heard 4 but also 6-8 weeks. I’m extremely sterile about every procedure and the clinic I started with was giving me 1 vial to last 12 weeks.

 

[indolent]

Interesting. Wonder where they got their info. It was passed on as gospel for a long time that freezing destroyed Sema, until it was thoroughly tested and that was disproven. Then came Tirz with the same warnings, until it too was disproven. Tests have been done in the testing server on Sema and Tirz and there was no additional loss of quality and tests are currently underway for Reta. Preliminary and intermediate results say we will probably be pleased with the outcome there too. All of the GLPs continue to amaze on how resilient and tough they are.

You're absolutely right about sema & tirz, and now the super-secret non-existent group testing server is midway on a Janoshik test on frozen reconned reta. Two vials undergo thaw & tests at three stages. The first has happened, showing no significant (beyond margin of error) mass degradation after 5 days frozen. Upcoming tests at day 25 and day 45, at which point we can safely surmise much longer-term freezing.

They're not testing those vials for endotoxins or sterility. Make of that what you will. My take is that there's not much biological activity at zero degrees Fahrenheit.

Janos puts little stock in industrial freezers vs home self-defrosting freezers. Modern ones don't gain much heat in thaw cycles.

It sounds like there are a few people commenting here who understand that "official" (FDA etc.) studies exist, but aren't following the results of the few big peptides group-testing servers. If they're in this forum, it's a very good idea to see what sort of tests (beyond the standard vendor batches) those testing groups are running, and the results.

 

[peptidepower77]

You're absolutely right about sema & tirz, and now the super-secret non-existent group testing server is midway on a Janoshik test on frozen reconned reta. Two vials undergo thaw & tests at three stages. The first has happened, showing no significant (beyond margin of error) mass degradation after 5 days frozen. Upcoming tests at day 25 and day 45, at which point we can safely surmise much longer-term freezing.

They're not testing those vials for endotoxins or sterility. Make of that what you will. My take is that there's not much biological activity at zero degrees Fahrenheit.

Janos puts little stock in industrial freezers vs home self-defrosting freezers. Modern ones don't gain much heat in thaw cycles.

It sounds like there are a few people commenting here who understand that "official" (FDA etc.) studies exist, but aren't following the results of the few big peptides group-testing servers. If they're in this forum, it's a very good idea to see what sort of tests (beyond the standard vendor batches) those testing groups are running, and the results.

Do you know where they are doing these tests? On the discord server? I'd be curious to see those results as they come in. Thanks.

 

[Incognitodoberman]

You're absolutely right about sema & tirz, and now the super-secret non-existent group testing server is midway on a Janoshik test on frozen reconned reta. Two vials undergo thaw & tests at three stages. The first has happened, showing no significant (beyond margin of error) mass degradation after 5 days frozen. Upcoming tests at day 25 and day 45, at which point we can safely surmise much longer-term freezing.

Do you know where they are doing these tests? On the discord server? I'd be curious to see those results as they come in. Thanks.

I'd like to see this as well.

 

[indolent]

Do you know where they are doing these tests? On the discord server? I'd be curious to see those results as they come in. Thanks.

Yes, 624 on the discord server.

Per server rules, specific results are restricted to paid-in group-test participants though, until after a delay period (30 days?), when they become available to server members. At no point to the general public, barring dangerous findings.

 

[Waldo]

You're absolutely right about sema & tirz, and now the super-secret non-existent group testing server is midway on a Janoshik test on frozen reconned reta. Two vials undergo thaw & tests at three stages. The first has happened, showing no significant (beyond margin of error) mass degradation after 5 days frozen. Upcoming tests at day 25 and day 45, at which point we can safely surmise much longer-term freezing.

They're not testing those vials for endotoxins or sterility. Make of that what you will. My take is that there's not much biological activity at zero degrees Fahrenheit.

Janos puts little stock in industrial freezers vs home self-defrosting freezers. Modern ones don't gain much heat in thaw cycles.

It sounds like there are a few people commenting here who understand that "official" (FDA etc.) studies exist, but aren't following the results of the few big peptides group-testing servers. If they're in this forum, it's a very good idea to see what sort of tests (beyond the standard vendor batches) those testing groups are running, and the results.

This is the answer. I have conducted my own research with sema, triz and reta. I put a vacuum on the aliqots, then freeze (-22C) in my chest freezer. I self limit to one freeze-thaw cycle. All have been efficacious.

More formal degradation tests are positive thus far.

 

[BooneDonk]

This is the answer. I have conducted my own research with sema, triz and reta. I put a vacuum on the aliqots, then freeze (-22C) in my chest freezer. I self limit to one freeze-thaw cycle. All have been efficacious.

More formal degradation tests are positive thus far.

We’ve all been looking for you…

 

[peptidepower77]

Yes, 624 on the discord server.

Per server rules, specific results are restricted to paid-in group-test participants though, until after a delay period (30 days?), when they become available to server members. At no point to the general public, barring dangerous findings.

Sorry, what does that mean? What is 624?

 

[indolent]

Sorry, what does that mean? What is 624?

The test number

 

[peptidesupremacy08]

Note: the 28 days is for a hospital environment with multi-users/patients, multi-use. I go to 60 days often with recon. My Compounding Pharma shipped Tirz recon with a Beyond use Date of one year later, with 0.9% benzyl. Go figure.

There is a reason why labs use specialized equipment to lyophilize peptides. Other ways damage the peptide. So no, not recommended to freeze recon. Janoshik also said no to freezing, to keep in the fridge.

What if you recon all 60mg with 1ml of bac, draw some into another vial, and every 4 weeks, add a bit of FRESH bac into the original vial, to rejuvenate the benzyl. A pain to keep track off but should keep the bacteria count low as the stopper is only pokes a few times. Maybe good for 3-4 months? But really, why not just buy another 10 or 20mg kit and keep this one for later.

I’m thinking buying the 10-20mg kits might just be my best bet. It seems to be a lot of work to work around the 60mg vials.

I will say though, my primary concern wasn’t even bacteria, it was more so the peptide degrading over time sitting in the bac water. Other users have informed that the degradation may only be a percent per month—if that.

Thank you!

 

[peptidesupremacy08]

Except anecdotal reports by pts that are doing exactly that and the efficacy of their Sema, Tz or Rt is still very apparent. You won't see Pharma paying for ANY studies on this because it is a zero-gain exercise for them.

That’s a great point, there’s not much for them to gain in investigating this.

 

[peptidesupremacy08]

Maybe you can find a friend who is on GLP’s and see if they’d wanna split vials. I am on Sema & Reta, realized the 60’s are going to be way more than I need given I’m trying to avoid weight loss. I’m on .25 Sema, 2-3 Reta per week and seem to be a super responder as I have absolutely no appetite and have to force myself to eat. I know I have friends taking Ozempic, trying to decide how to bring it up in a convo without looking like a pusher.

How many weeks is the maximum recommended? I’ve heard 4 but also 6-8 weeks. I’m extremely sterile about every procedure and the clinic I started with was giving me 1 vial to last 12 weeks.

Thank you for this! I did plan on doing this, but my people and I all have different dosing schedules and so it’d get a little messy. I do think I may try it though because I’m learning that the degradation of the peptide isn’t so much of an issue. It’s really a sterility thing it seems like.

 

[RedNL]

Interesting. Wonder where they got their info. It was passed on as gospel for a long time that freezing destroyed Sema, until it was thoroughly tested and that was disproven. Then came Tirz with the same warnings, until it too was disproven. Tests have been done in the testing server on Sema and Tirz and there was no additional loss of quality and tests are currently underway for Reta. Preliminary and intermediate results say we will probably be pleased with the outcome there too. All of the GLPs continue to amaze on how resilient and tough they are.

Do you have more, newer info on tests on reta ?

 

[randompersonrandom]

This is the answer. I have conducted my own research with sema, triz and reta. I put a vacuum on the aliqots, then freeze (-22C) in my chest freezer. I self limit to one freeze-thaw cycle. All have been efficacious.

More formal degradation tests are positive thus far.

How do you put a vacuum on your vials?

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

So I was looking at a vendor and their 60mg kits are way cheaper per mg than their 10mg kits. However, I only use about 2.0mg per week, so I would go way over the window to finish the reconstituted peptide, if I were to use that. I seem to be mixed answers from google, reddit, and chatgpt on if I can freeze the reconstituted peptide. My idea would be to dilute with 6ml bac, then portion out into 6 vials at 1ml each and freeze them at -20c in my regular home freezer. Would this destroy/destabilize the peptide? If not, guess I'll just have to pay the extra, but it's not that bad considering it's really not that expensive.

Im just starting this thread, no idea where it goes, but ive frozen my Reta, Thawed it at room temp expecting it to be weakened or compromised and it was strong af. Ymmv